We should have a new starting lineup with Brooks at PG, Lowry at SG, Kmart at SF and run and gun more! Second unit comes in with a defensive mind set, Lee at PG, Chase at SG, Sf Battier, Scola at PF, Jeffries C. Brad Miller in my opinion should be starting over Chuck Hayes.
Oh so now he's balling only bc it's against weaker opponents. Riiiight. Bc AB didn't do that last season. Plus, it's the NBA. Every team is formidable and even the crappy teams put up a fight just like last night. Lowry had 10 dimes against the Lakers.
Lowry has done something for us lately. Seriously though, it would seem to make more sense compositionally to have Lowry starting with Martin so he can play defense on the opposing starter at PG and let Martin do the gunning. And then have Brooks shoulder the offensive load of the second unit and play defense on the backup. Both deserve starter minutes though.
The problem isn't having two point guards, its their drain on our salary cap. Lowry got an MLE-ish deal this summer. Brooks is due for an even greater pay raise. You're looking at 13+ million tied up in one position... that's a lot of money to commit to one position without either being a superstar. Brooks will get you more value in return in a trade. Lowry's current trade value is probably at an all-time high. In the end, Morey and Adelman will have to pick one or the other. Really? Come on. Apples to oranges. We're talking about Lowry as a starter and averaging 35+ minutes and you want to bring up stats from his bench role seeing less than 20? Weak.
He is playing better, but to ignore the fact that he played pretty badly against good teams and is playing great against ones that play bad defense is really biased don't you think? Lowry is a good player, he is just not as good as some of the more vocal fans here think. Rafer had some good shooting stretches too.... And this thread has been done numerous times before, .....it swings wildly based upon what just happened. A more seasoned approach is what Rick and Morey will do, and I support that. DD
What will you say when he isn't? Will we keep on hearing yours and others incesent whining about their favorite player continuing his career on the bench? It is the truth, the NBA is all about matchups, Kyle plays very well when he has a weaker matchup, so does Brooks BTW, but only Brooks keeps up with the better PGs...or at least makes them work on offense. Either way, Kyle is starting because Brooks is injured....if the coaches and GM decide that he should stay the starter, then I will support that. The question is, will the legion of Lowry Lubbers, do the same, or will they continue to spam the board with innane threads comparing the two over and over again? DD
It's inevitable. Morey isn't going to tie up that much money on the PG position. And please. Martin and Scola are my favorite players. I'm still laughing at your notion of AB being better than Scola and Martin. Check the poll. Nuff said.
Because they could get a team to give up another All-Star calliber player in return??.. The certain circumstances that would happen for a team to make a move for Expirings/Draft Picks/ & a Scoring minded Point Guard would only be a rebuilding process... I just dont see it happening before the deadline if at all. AB going through a sign and trade this summer is the most likely scenario and that all depends on if he is heavily outperformed by Lowry and Ish in the second half of the season. In other words, stop bringing up "shipping him out" unless there is a likely trade partner on the other end.
The poll? LOL, I can show you lots of polls that have the opposite...it is silly....people sway back and forth without even considering context. I mean where was the poll when Lowry was being lit up by DRose and shot 4-15? Look, I like Lowry, but I see his flaws, Brooks has them too......he is just a better player. DD
Apples to Oranges? One of our entire points is that fast breaks arent as successful in the playoffs against good teams. Counterpoint, but he had assists against a good team, in the Lakers. Counter-counterpoint, yes but how many did he have against that good team in the playoffs. "Thats not a fair comparison" ...
It's anything but the truth, as a poster above me has pointed out. Lowry has played great against top competition as well as inferior competition. Has he dominated every game? No. But that doesn't mean he's stat-padding against the lesser teams as you suggest. Stop comparing Brooks and Lowry in an offensive vacuum. They're not the same type of player and they don't bring the same things to the team, yet you are throwing Lowry under the bus because he can't drop 20 on any given night. It's a losing argument. Look -- Aaron Brooks is the superior scorer. Absolutely, without a doubt, no argument. However, Lowry is better at looking to get others involved, playing defense, rebounding, drawing fouls and giving us a 'spark'. When looking at the two, you can't just look at PPG and blindly bash Lowry. Posters realize that Lowry brings a lot more to the table then just getting buckets. The only time Brooks gives us a spark is when he catches fire offensively (which happens frequently); but Lowry can give us that spark on both defense and offense. In my opinion, he has a greater overall impact on the game than Brooks because he can put his imprint on the game on both sides of the court -- I think you'd agree that Brooks only does it on one end. You made a comment the other day about how odd it was to see Rockets "fans" rooting for Budinger to fail to throw it in your face. I find it funny that you have been the same way re: Lowry vs. Brooks. You said Lowry would never work as a starter because teams would sag off him and force him to shoot.. Lowry has been starting for a while now and I've yet to see any Rondo treatment. On top of that, he's been great at making teams pay from behind the arc. For once, give him the credit he's earned. Please stop comparing 35+ minute production a night to production with less than 20 minutes a night. It's a simple, logical request. If you want to make your case by showing that the majority of Lowry's assist come off fastbreak opporunities that won't exist in the playoffs, I'd love to see the corresponding stats to back it up. That's a real argument. But you're throwing out baseless arguments without any comparable stats to back it up. I watch the games.. Lowry gets plenty of half-court assist off his penetration and PnR's with Scola.
Well I am very impressed with Kyle Lowry. Really he is a true point guard. He shoots at almost the same percentage as Aaron Brooks. But he doesn't shoot as much. Aaron Kyle FG% 43% 42% 3pt 39% 37% He does what a point guard should. He is an all around player. He looks to pass. And really his 7.1 assist numbers are quite impressive. I would expect his assist numbers to be around what he is doing in his last 10 games. 8.7 assist per game . In the last 10 games he truly looks like a legitimate borderline all-star (but not good enough to get voted in) type point guard. But 8.7 assists a game is very impressive. I don't want Aaron Brooks coming in and starting over Kyle Lowry. I would be mad if Lowry goes back to the bench. Seriously
Compare the games against the good teams, and you will see he is doing precisely that. 2 great games lately have significantly increased his stats...Memphis and Detroit...I Love it....but I don't ignore they are crappy teams. Brooks has had double digit assists before too, but he can't pass it right? This whole debate is tired, and old...let the coaches decide. Anyway, this is a tired argument that the coaches will decide, if they go with Lowry, I will be ok with that, will you be ok if they go with Brooks as the starter ? DD
I noticed you avoided the comparison on what Brooks/Lowry bring to the team.. probably smart on your part. All I want is for the Rockets to win -- I don't throw fits because X player is starting instead of Y. But it's dumb to say, "well Adelman named him the starter, so he agrees with me!" I don't want to trade Brooks just because I like Lowry -- I want to put Brooks in a role that he would most excel at. I believe that role is the offensive 6th man off the bench. You've maintained Brooks should start, but your only arguments are "Adelman/Morey like him as starter" and "he makes opposing PGs work on defense". The former argument is weak and subject to change at any moment (Rafer was a starter over Brooks for half the year before he was dealt.. did that mean Adelman was right to start him over Brooks?) and the latter argument doesn't explain why he couldn't do that off the bench just as easily.
