I am posting this for informational purposes only. Who Posted? Total Posts: 163 Username Posts DaDakota 33 durvasa 10 CXbby 8 Deckard 8 chenjy9 7 Mr. Clutch 7 DasouthDakota 5 Dave_78 5
Heck yeah, I am gonna represent Brooks against the vocal minority, but thanks for that Mr. Clutch, you are ever so helpful....maybe you should strive to post more? Teacher, teacher !!! Mr. DD is chewing gum !!!!! Posting for informational purposes only.....WTF evah ! DD
DaDakota, I may be on your ignore, so I will repeat my prior post (with additional questions suggested by chouje). Other than scoring, where is Brooks better than Lowry? Is he better defensively? Is he a better passer? Do you think he sees the floor better? Can he finish at the rim better? Does he draw more fouls? Is he a better rebounder? Does he draw more charges? I'm curious to see your spin. And, in the real world, preferring one player, does not mean you hate the other player.
3 pt shooter FT shooter Mid range shooter Decision Maker (seen way to many Lowry 3s to think otherwise) Off the ball player Isolation offense Scoring holds a disproportionate weight seeing as how wins and losses arent measured by who draws the most charges and who makes the best passes.
Just curious here, but would you rather he pass up an open shot that he has a chance of making? Usually, when I see Lowry shooting a 3, it is because no one is open or has a better shot. I would personally take a chance on Lowry shooting an uncontested three than have AB jack up one with a man in his face TBH.
I would love for you to explain to me how Brooks' ft % of 82.2 is better than Lowry's 82.7%. You are incorrect about decision making. Decision making is more about shot selection than shot making. A wide-open attempt from the 3pt line that Lowry misses is a better decision than a wide-open 30 ft attempt that Brooks' makes. You really think Brooks' is better off the ball? Can you explain why Lowry averages twice as many offensive rebounds as Brooks and plays 30% fewer minutes? Brooks is better at isolation offense, but if we plan on contending, that shouldn't carry too much weight. With Yao, Martin, and Lee on the roster, Brooks shouldn't be running very many isolation plays.
FT shooter, 3 pt shooter, mid range shooter adds up to only one thing: better shooter. Isolation offense doesn't take the team anywhere unless it's in late game situation. Francis, AI are all better isolation players, but that doesn't translate to wins. Off the ball play isn't something you really needed that badly for PG, more like SG and SF quality. Lowry is a way better decision maker than Brooks. Brooks took way more questionable shots than Lowry, that's one reason that his TS% is almost identical to Lowry's despite being a much better shooter. Scoring is overrated, defense is just as important, maybe more in playoffs, expecially in finals. Last year Brooks should start because Rockets need scorer in starting lineup and Brooks was the only one who could do it. This year it could be different.
That just means you have poor basketball sense. If my teammate is open, within his comfort zone, and I'm well-guarded, I'll make the extra pass every time....regardless if I'm shooting well and he's shooting poorly.
Fact, however, rebounder, charges and defender is all the same thing too. I am simply pointing out that the same creative use of language can be used in Brook's favor as well. Isolation is absolutely 100% nesecary in specific situations, such as last minute plays. Moreso, on this team, because there is exactly one player on the team who can play that role. Fiction. Adelman's entire motion offense is based around off the ball movement. Even the half court set which is Yao centric, it is pivotal for the PG to be an off the ball player. We do not run a traditional PG led offense ala Utah, Boston or NO. We do not need a ball dominant PG. Debatable. Lowry will shoot threes often, which he should never do, and also has a tendency to barrell in players trying wrecklessly draw fouls. It is common place for him to play out of control. Defense at the PG position is less important than at others. And in the past 2 series, it has been Brooks scoring at the position which carried the team, not Lowry's defense. In fact Lowry was below average because his play is gimmicky and didnt work in the slow down half court grind em out games of the playoffs. Last year Brooks started because he was the better player and he will continue to do so until he is no longer a Rocket. He fits perfectly with Yao.
Wrong. rebounds and defense are two different things. Scloa is a very good rebounder but not much a defender. Isolation is only necessarily in special situations, so generally speaking it doesn't take the team to anywhere. Again, SF3 and AI are good examples. RA's offense doesn' need a ball dominant PG except AB needs the ball to be real effective. He can catch and shoot, but he needs the ball in his hand to be at his best. Brooks's scoring wasn't the deciding fact in Portland series at all. It was Yao's inside presence which change the entire game plan for Portland and they had to left Scola more open than they'd like and Scola made them pay. In the Lakers series, it was a complete team effort. AB's speed did give Lakers fits, but in the end Lakers still won, and AB's 18 assist/22TOs in the series did a lot damage to the team as well. Defense at PG is just as simporant as other positions except C. Look how Rondo helps Boston with his defense. Centers will get into foul trouble every game if PG doesn't play defense. Who's better between Lowry/AB is still very much debatable. Rockets team was better with Lowry than AB on the court last year, it was a fact.
There doesn't seem to be the slightest interest at all in Brooks around the league, so at $3.8 mil a year Morey will sign him to next season, Brooks will be a solid bench scorer to back up Lowry. I mean, even a bad GM with a PG fetish like Kahn doesn't seem to be even slightest interested in Brooks. Seriously, I think we may just be able to re-sign Brooks for cheap to backup Lowry when Brooks' contract is up. If anybody even offers Brooks the MLE I will be shocked. Shocked!
Are you saying lowry is like rondo? Rondo is an elite player playing with better offensive players than the rockets have or had. They can afford to have rondo just set guys up, but when he has to score, he can score and has been starting since day 1. Choulje, we can go over this round and round, but in the playoffs, the defense is far different than in the regular season. In the playoffs, they control tempo better and the teams are scouted far differently. In the playoffs, you have to take and make contested shots over defenders alot more than during the regular season.? Why? Because most of the teams in the playoffs are the better defensive teams in the league. Lowry is a regular season player. His effeciency hasn't translated to the post season. Brooks, as a rookie, playing sparingly didn't play well in the playoffs his 1st year. Notice i said rookie. Lowry in his 3rd yr and playing minutes didn't play well. Big differnce.
Rebounding is an aspect of defense, just like elbow shooting and 3 point shooting are forms of scoring. Yes, special situations like when the game is on the line for a last second shot. SF3 and AI are irrelevant, not quite sure why you put them in there. No he doesn't, he can bring the ball up court hand it off to the Yao post entry passer and camp the 3 point line. Just him being there and able to hit the open three is pivotal to our offense. Lowry cant do it and thus is a worse off the ball player. Yes, because Brooks was there to keep the defense from packing the paint. Re watch the series. Brooks destroyed Blake and then Fisher. Re watch the games and take off your "I love Lowry" hat. Not really, Brooks is better player. Lowry is what he is, a high energy bench player who is good at getting to the line.
It's going to be very wired to say rebounds is ONLY a part of defense considering Lowry is one of the best OFFENSIVE rebounding guards in the league. Rebounds and defense are too different things. Lebron i a lot better defensively than Battier, but Battier is considered a better defender. Special situation doesn't mean too much too the winning. Overall consisitency is. That's why guys like Novak is never going to beat out guys like Battier. It's not too much of an attribute. I've watched every game in that series. Yao even called out Brooks after game 5 to play the right way and you know Yao doesn't do it unless it's absolutely necessary. Yao/Scola was the deciding factor for that series win. Brooks played better than Lowry in that year's playoffs, that's a given. But the team is different now, and Lowry was only with the team for like 30 games to Brooks one and a half season Brooks did 10 times worse than Lowry in his first playoff series. Lowry made enough improvements to show that he can impact the game more than Brooks last season, especially with a lot scorers and shooters around him, unlike AB, who makes himself look better despite mediocre TS% all things considered. Who is better between the two is still open for debate. AB is more important in a lineup of not many scoering threats, eg Rockets last season, Lowry thrives in situation where he's surrounded by scoerers and shooters, eg the upcoming season. You'll see that later on.
Sometimes i wonder if people actually watch the games. First off, lebron is a better defender than battier at this stage of their career. I don't think thats going out on a limb to say that. Secondly, the lakers and blazers treated brooks as the biggest threat. Why? Because he was destroying the team from his scoring and threat off the bounce. So much so, the traps came and the tilting of the defense just like when tracy was playing in the playoffs. Don't believe me, go and watch the games and get back at me. What is really hard about people arguing these points is that lowry is a good player and everyone likes him, but he is a bench player. Even in the event of running pick and pop with lowry and yao, teams won't give yao the space because lowry is not a threat to score. His version of the pick and pop is less effective because his threat is mainly passing, which is cool, but to open the door and create havoc is to punish teams for sagging or half assing the pick and pop or roll. I could go on and on, but its the same thing with the same posters. Adelman's offense, just like the triangle which is a version of the same thing, doesn't require a ball dominant pg. The lakers traded nick because he needed the ball and fisher didn't. The kings traded williams for bibby because he was a terrible shooter and was alot better with the ball than without it. Brooks is effective on or off the ball and it plays to his strength vs lowry who is not nearly as good without the ball. Thats the main reason why tracy and rafer never made sense. Rafer's best attribute was with the ball and decision making, but that was tracy's best attribute also. Lowry is a better player than lowry because he can get to the rim and finish vs rafer who couldn't. If you put lowry out there with yao coming off injury,shane,martin,and scola, who do you think teams are going to sink with? Yep,lowry and it will be worse in the playoffs. In fact, teams will play yao staright up early to make him prove he can beat one on one which would then have more people in the lane.
