Its a private business and people should be allowed to let in who they want. I don't see why people get so mad about it. Vote with your dollars and somewhere else. If they don't let people in and it ultimately makes the place worse and less enjoyable then the business will fail and others will see that and make their establishments more profitable.
I love how this gets press as if it is shocking... Anybody here ever been to Beaumont? There's a club there.. the Dixie Dance Hall (barf)... There's a sign on the door.. "No Flat Brim Caps Backwards Hats White T Shirts Sneakers Baggy Jeans Long Shorts Excessive Jewelry etc etc" It honestly might as well say "NO N***ERS"
When I was stationed in Meridian, MS with the Navy, there was a whole list of businesses that the Navy gave us that warned us not to go if we were minorities.
I wish I could remember all that it said because it gets ridiculously specific, those are less than a third of the "black people stuff" it lists...
i've heard lots of things about Bronx being like that, i think even on this board before. i personally like pub fiction and ei8ht quite a bit. i went to nox on saturday night (one chinese girl, one white girl, one black girl and one white guy) and we didn't get in at 10:03 PM. they said all the tables were reserved (which i did the the layout with a bunch of hand-written names, he asked me to find my group) and we didn't have reservations and he didn't want to let us in and then the rest of our party may get stuck outside since they weren't here yet and then we'd be upset. i think saw the persian guy at the door...real skinny? we left and went to ei8ht. i wasn't too upset b/c they were being total d!cks and had a point. we got into eight like at 10:15 with a maybe one minute wait (really, just as long as it took to ID a line of folks) and then our friends had a bit of a line at 10:30 and then our friends in line at 10:45 moved 5 ft in 20 minutes. we watched them from the balcony above. so then we all left and went to manor. not nearly as nice but had alcohol and no line. not too bad.
Any bar that has a wait to get in and a door staff that determines who gets in by judging looks is inevitably going to be a bar filled with yuppies suffering from terminal douchebaggitis who feel as if they've crossed some awesomeness threshold simply because a minimum-wage and G.E.D. educated door guy thought they had on nice pants. I see those lines sometimes, and I honestly can't understand why anyone would even want to be in those places. There are plenty of nice bars with good music that aren't trying to attract as many middle-upper-class lemmings as they can to stand outside and make the place look cool. And those of you who feel like you've accomplished some stunning feat by making it inside ... you really need to check yourself. The only thing dumber than waiting outside to get in is getting inside and gleefully eating up the experience as if it were some sort of penultimate social validation.
So, by logical extension, you would have been on Woolworth's side, then? P.S. I sincerely hope "HPD" is merely aspirational, and not an actual career description. Else, Spoiler
I've been denied entrance into a predominantly African American bar in downtown Houston. No big deal. I accepted their decision and moved on. I didn't go crying about it like a little baby. Man up, brah
So, just so I understand your priorities, overt racism doesn't make you cry in disgust like a little baby, but "enormous rat" still do?
There might be 100 ways to dissect your "argument" as wrong. As had been stated by dozens of people through history much smarter than you or me from Aristotle onward: "Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I also believe that any PRIVATE business should be able to deny entry any person for any reason. If you want a business that only caters to Hispanic hermaphrodites named Larry who only showers on Tuesday then that is your right. Every individual has the right to patronize the business or not. That is true freedom. Unfortunately, the way politicians, bureaucrats and citizens in general define "public places" includes privately owned establishments that are open to the public. This is how we allow the government to control us.
This, and it's not close. The civil rights movement was won was with the dollar. I have zero problem with what this club did, they are a private business and can do whatever they want. If people don't like it, that business will shut down or change its policies. Capitalism at its finest. I got choked by a bouncer from behind and dragged out of that big place with the patio close to Bronx Bar (forgot its name, but its one of the furthest away from Morningside), for doing absolutely nothing. I never came back and my friends never did either. The situation with the cops doesn't surprise me either, as these guys often get kickbacks and are usually jackbooted thugs to begin with. They WILL tase you just for exercising your freedom of speech. I live in Vegas and got tired of the club scene very quickly. If you're on some kind of drug (E, coke), clubs can be fun and relatively cheap, but drinking is expensive and it's basically impossible to talk to anyone.
Has 0 to do with the argument he was stating, imo. Care to elaborate as to how we are ignoring history? We should let governments interfere with private markets?
To defend Tailgate, I've gone there with several black friends with no issues whatsoever. Of course, we all dress like normal people.
The reason is that the women at those places are hotter, pure and simple. There really isn't any real deduction involved. Men go to where the women are.
