Tell ya what, you want to achieve any sort of cred on this board...why dont you back up your rant? as you can see, others arent buying it. why dont you look back at the draft history of the VG teams and tell us which great stud did he just ignore? If you are right, it should be a very easy point to back up.. I dont think you can do it.
I don't know if he is ready or not, or will ever BE ready. BUT....I do know that it will take an adjustment period and we might as well start that clock now. DD
Alright DD, seems like you're backing off from your initial Vspan lovefest. However, since you seem to know so much about the Euroleague (maybe Amel could be of help here as well), where would your rank Vspan amongst Euro guards? Is he even a top 5 player? Seems to be a lot of love for someone we hardly know anything about. Any Rocket fans in Greece who could give us a hand?
I am glad you asked me that. Ok, I'll name a few notable selections that the rockets could have had. They pass on Dirk who everyone expected them to pick. They also pass on hometown favorite Rashaud Lewis. They drafetd Richard Jefferson but traded him for Jason Collins. Another draft day blunder, Shane for Rudy Gay. Have you heard of a player named Roderick Rohodes or what about Michel Dickerson just a couple of notable rockets draft bust. And besides Luther Head, can you name a rockets draft pick that made a serious contribution to the team since Jeff Vangundy became coach. Now don't include Yao, which is the obvious no-brainer. What about the T-Mac trade when we threw in Mobley and Cato and what did we get, Reese Gains, Tyrone Lue, and Juwon Howard. Do you think we got compensation for that? "Shane for Rudy Gay and Swift" That damn Vangundy.
Well I think with that last post it is obvious that he is not being serious and just trying to be funny...right? I mean, he isn't funny...but he is trying. Right?
man I sure hope he is just jerking our chains. cause the thought that someone with such horrible reading comprehension and reasoning skills is a member of this esteemed board is frightening...and sad try again kid...go all the way back to the NY VG teams...adn dont forget most of those you are talking about were NOT drafted(overlooked) by a team coached by JEFF VAN GUNDY. you claim that Vg WILL not and CAN NOT develop rookies.... let me say this clearly so you can understand. WHAT ROOKIES DID VG HAVE THAT HE REFUSED TO PLAY??
i thinks it's hilarious but i also think he's being completely genuine. i couldn't have faked an anti-van gundy rant better then that complete with Rashaud Lewis and Roderick Rohodes. that's some good stuff.
THATS MY WHOLE POINT, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ROOKIES AND I WONDER WHY. CAN YOU NAME ME SOME ROOKIES ON THE TEAM THAT HE PLAYED. And I wasn't talkin bout the NY knicks team as a matter of fact, Vangundy didn't assemble that roster, it was all Pat Riley's doing. But you see what happens when vangundy tries to build a team on his own. He seems to make a big mess.
Yes, but that was in Europe against non NBA competition. There exists a reasonable question about his ability to get off his shot in this league. His strength lies in his slashing to the basket and not as the jumpshooting player everyone wants for the Rockets. That's where it gets confusing because I have seen posts here from folks who say that he will have problems playing with the bigger and faster NBA players. If he can adjust to the NBA game, then that would have to be considered a major plus. At this point, nobody knows. CD started "thinking" about him when MJ went to Minny. It appears that he was the proverbial "Plan B". Now, CD's record on Euro players is very poor and I am somewhat skeptical of his ability to evaluate foreign players. Not saying that he's another Nachbar but I advise taking a wait-and-see approach if he does come over. It's dangerous to get too excited about an unknown quantity like Spanoulis because there is a very real chance that he may not pan out. If he's any good, it will show on the court - that is if JVG lets him on the court which is another issue altogether.
If any one will remember that wanted James to sign and trade so they could keep their MLE for who... V-SPAN
To an extent you are right. He doesn't necessarily bring a complete mess, he brings in completely his players, his role, his everything. He won't experiment on players, he won't ever create an efficient offensive system. Do I like him as a coach? Sure do, I'd take him over the majority of coaches, however I think there's 2 coaches that fit the Rockets perfectly. 1. Phil "Miracle Worker" Jackson 2. Scott Skiles
Then he'd be good because that's what's missing on this team especially if his scoring doesn't suffer. A guard who can consistently score inside while other teams are concentrating on TMac & Yao would be the perfect weapon to counteract that defensive strategy. Last year Alston proved to be too inconsistent whenever he attacked the hoop and hence teams used his man to double on Yao. If he's slashing to the hoop, Yao will get him the ball. It could get very interesting this season..
Isn't the question, which one did he play? the list is probably shorter to name the ones he did play versus who he didn't. Here is a list of all Van Gundy's rookie players during his great knick Career Van Gundy Knick Facts: 50 win seasons 2 Lottery Teams: 1 Division Titles: 0 Van Gundy 2002 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 0 Nene Hilario traded to Denver 2001 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 0 All 1st round picks traded away 2000 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 2 Mirsad Turksan 7 Games 25 minutes or 3.6 minutes Waived mid-season Lavor Postell 26 Games 169 minutes or 6.5 minutes in garbage time wins and less in 2nd season 1999 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 0 Frederic Weiss from France. never played. Interesting a VG clone was drafted with the next pick by Chi Ron Artest 1998 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 0 All picks traded away 1997 Knicks Rookies Played: 0 Rookies on Roster: 0 John Wallace, Walter McCarty Dontae Jones and 1997 first rounder John Thomas traded away before season started for Chris "battier clone" Mills 1996 Knicks Rookies Played: 1 Rookies on Roster: 3 John Wallace 68 games 11.3 minutes Walter McCarty 35 Games 5.5 minutes Dontae Jones 0 games 0 minutes Not counting Head because he played due to complete team injuries, he has started a total of one Rookies in his career and doled out a staggering 963 minutes in 136 games for 7.07 minutes per game. Take out John Wallace in 1996 and it is Ugly. What you see is a pattern of NO Rookies played, all of them traded away, or all picks traded away and you saw the old knicks team he abandonded win 30 games. Sounds just like the old knicks team he brought here in 2004/05 to get us in the playoffs that was too old to play in 05/06. While Zeke has made his share of mistakes cleaning up the mess that is NY, it could be easily pointed out that the mess was started by Van Gundy. You may owe the rookie an apology. I can name only one rookie he has ever played!!!!!!!
Nope, Luther doesn't count as a "significant" player, not yet. It's an even bet whether he will still be in the NBA five years from now. And you forget how reluctant JVG was to develop Luther. JVG didn't want him in the first place, said he was too short, and mentioned on the record that he was going to be a benchwarmer during his rookie season -- until all the injuries forced JVG to play the kid and develop him. So Luther is not exactly a good example of JVG's alleged willingness to develop rookies. In fact, I can't think of a single rookie that JVG has voluntarily shown any patience with. Walter McCarthy got traded out of New York after playing only 192 minutes. During JVG's watch, all the other rookies on the Knicks were left to rot.
Then why aren't you blaming the guy who mops the floor as much as CD and JVG? Van Gundy had next to zero personnel control in New York - it was Layden. The structure in Houston is a little different, but ultimately, personnel falls to CD and Morey and co. If you recall, under Van Gundy, the Knicks traded a solid veteran in Charles Oakley for a glass Marcus Camby - and Van Gundy probably saved Camby's career. Van Gundy didn't have a single rookie worth playing; that's the main reason he doesn't play them. PS - Shouldn't someone, somewhere be crying about Dorrell Wright not getting minutes for the Heat?
That is true jvg did mold camby into a better player when he got traded to the knicks he was very much in darius miles underachiver mold , some people do seem to forget that jvg did help mold him into a better player.
