He's playing on a rookie contract, he's not underpaid he's paying his dues. Or are you saying if you were to make a top ten underpaid players list, you'll fill it with guys like Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant? He is overrated. He doesn't play defense, he can't shoot the 3 and doesn't understand how to work in a systems offense. He's like a poor man's version of Corey Maggette, at least CM drives to the rack and gets fts. He basically became the 2nd option to a rookie Mayo even if he'd been playing for some time now. That's really all you need to know about him. If the Grizz pay him 12 million they're just getting another albatross contract. Von Wafer can get you his production for the vet min.
When I look at gay, I see bibby,terry,sar,brand and guys like that. They're really good players on bad teams that would get a lot of recogntion and props if the were on better teams. RV6, I've been this board awhile and had the same arguments when franis was here and terry,miller,bibby, and baron were playing for struggling teams. All I heard were some of these same "he's a loser" type arguments which I find funny.Then once those guys got on good teams, they showed what kind of players they are. Would I trade for gay? Yes.Why? Kwame gave u the numbers for a 23 yr old wing.He's worth what deng and smith got which is 9-11m a yr. He probably asked for 12m so he can leave or memphis would trade him.. It doesn't bother me tat he and ariza are 3's because he can shoot off the bounce..If the rockets are moving away from tracy which I doubt, what's not to like?
I was responding to a specific comment that said he was overpaid. Saying he is overpaid is factually incorrect. He isn't overrated either. Von Wafer has never been able to produce like Rudy Gay. To say that he can do what Gay does offensively is ridiculous. Maggette also never produced like Rudy early in his career. If you remove both of their rookie years, CM averaged around 13 ppg shooting below 45% from the field the next 3 yrs while Rudy Gay has averaged 20 ppg having never shot below 45%. Lol @ the people saying Gay is a "stats collector," whatever that means. Should he be a "no-stats" guy. I challenge those that are making that assertion to provide some evidence to back it up. Rudy Gay is going to be a very good player in this league for the next 10 years. I don't see why you wouldn't go after him. It might be an ideal situation since he seems to be unhappy in Memphis and I can't blame him. I briefly spoke to Rudy Gay when he was here in Vegas for the Mayweather fight. He had a great attitude and positive outlook, said he wanted to play for the Rockets, but harbors no ill-will towards them for trading him. He said all that stuff is in the past and he's now looking towards the future. The Rockets have enough defense, they need offense.
This is like being stuck in some wierd episode of the Twilight Zone. As fans we hate to admit when our team is wrong, but the team was wrong. The trade was a bust. How did we need Battier to get us to a "championship level" if him being here didn't help get us out of the first round? Before Tracy and Yao went down with injuries the Rockets had one of the best defenses in the league, won 50+ games, and lost to Dallas in the first round of the playoffs. They both get hurt and the team ends up with a lottery pick that they trade for Shane. Tracy and Yao come back healthy, the team wins 50+ games, and lose in the first round to the Jazz. How on earth is that a success story? You gave up a top ten pick to get the same results that you had before the trade. That would be like Hornets fans arguing that they made the right move to trade Kobe for Divac. I don't care if they did think they were competing for a title. Who remembers that Hornets team? Who is going to care about "Shane's Rockets" ten years from now? No GM would trade Gay for Battier today. Who thinks that we would be able to get a top 10 pick in next year's draft for Shane? We couldn't because he isn't worth that now and he wasn't worth that then.
I don't know why you keep posting the same thread over and over even though you know that we have no chance in hell in signing him for only 7 MIL..
i like how this guy starts a poll here "to see how ignorant" we are, and when he doesn't get the answer he's looking for, he starts a thread on spurstalk about how we're all "idiots" http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139319
Lol, I guess you have nothing else left to say except for repeating factually incorrect statements. Another tacit admission of defeat from you. I wouldn't expect anything else from a guy who thinks Battier is a "one in a million" type of player, even though most teams acquire guys like Shane through minor trades and free agency.
What the hell???...So if people don't agree with you(Poster on Spurstalk) then you go to a rival message board and post how dumb those people are??? Seems childish, the agree/disagree is what makes this forum so dam awesome. I dont agree with everyone and vice versa but I would never think of doing that...
You realize that Gay has the worst +/- Stats on one of the worst teams in the NBA. Part of it was because the team was so bad, but he's at the bottom of his own team.
i dont think he's a loser, but i dont think he's a winner either. He doesn't disrupt a team or an offense and cause them to be bad or lose, but he doesn't seem to adapt to a certain situation in order to lead a team to a win either. So technically he does play for stats. I'm not saying he quits once he reaches 20 pts or anything like that, but it seems like he approaches every game the same, scores at the same pace, acts or doesnt act at the same times every game, etc.. So i do think he fits on certain teams where he can just get his stats and let others lead and step/down depending on the situation. Perhaps that means he would have done well next to Yao and Tmac, but i don't think he'd make us any better now or when yao or tmac has been out in the past. Getting his average wouldnt be enough then, he'd need to step up and take control, lead basically, and i can't see him doing that.
Wow that's a low thing to do...so he thinks fans are stupid since they don't want Gay, and therefore, if given control of this team, would turn it into memphis, the team Gay is actually on?? That doesn't even make sense.
I think the term winner and loser on this board is used without proof and too loose. Bibby was a loser in memphis but a winner in sacramento? Terry was a gunner on a sorry team, but a starting pg on a finals team so now he's a winner? I could go on and on but losing beats you down. Gasol is the same player he was in memphis when he led them to the playoffs and when they wound up in lotto land. The coaching and overrall infastructure in memphis is bad since west and brown/fratello has left the building. With aa young team, coaching and management is huge to give direction and focus. Its just like when shane and pau was there, they were terrible, but then hubie comes in and they start playing good basketball. Good coaches get players to buy into the system and accept roles. The rox have been blessed to have rudy then jvg and now adelman all really good coaches. If u give that team a coach of that caliber and they're at least .500 or better. I think when young teams get down , they lose their composure. We saw that against dallas. The rox lost their composure and crumbled. It doesn't mean guys were just trying to score, they just lost focus. That happens a lot when teams struggle with young guys.
While that may be true, you have to question guys who don't play defense. Defense is ALL effort. If a young guy like Gay won't hustle on D what makes you think he is gonna do it ina winning enviornment. I get the distinct feeling Gay is going to get his contract and then go the way of Kemp and Millsap.
