is tracy mcgrady a better playoff scorer than kobe bryant? his playoff PPG is higher? stats say yes, i say no is lebron james a better playoff scorer than kobe bryant? stats say yes, i say no. is gilbert arenas a better playoff scorer than kobe bryant? stats say yes, i say no. steve nash only average 14 points and 11 assists when he won his first MVP. stats-wise, are those MVP worthy? no, but he won. WATCH THE GAME. stats say something definitely, but watch the game. PS - marbury was never a great playmaker. he never made the game easier for his teammates ON THE COURT either. watch how jkidd work with martin + kittles + jefferson, and watch what happened with marbury was there. marbury couldn't even get them to the playoffs.
DD is not one letter away from DM. 9 letters after D is M. By the way, McGrady has weak points, but passing is not one of them. His scoring is inefficient, and so is his defense, but his passing has always been top notched for his position.
Over Tmac's entire Rocket's career he has averaged 20.15 shot attempts per game Just pointing out the facts. 42% FG and 32% 3pt percentage, not all that great. DD
You do understand that AI is declining faster than Tmac with his kind of play yet you try to compare both and ignore what he did to the Pistons and Grizzlies.
here's another one? DD, last year, is dwight howard a better offensive player than yao? looking at the STATS, apparently he is. what do you say?
Well, you started it. One is an undersized SG in a PG's body who used to score in bunches. The other is a big SG/SF 6'9 once freak of nature who has a post game.
LOL - you guys are funny, hit with facts, you ignore them. I hope you guys stay fans of Tmac, wherever he lands. DD
if you only interpret facts by looking at them without looking at the game -> boxscore watchers. i dare you to take that playmaking argument to any other basketball talk or heck, make that claim on youtube, and it'll get ugly. you're right about tracy's inefficiency as a scorer b/c watching him, you can see that. but if you watch his game, his playmaking has always been amongs the best in the game, as validated by numerous NBA coaches, including the a past rocket coach (JVG) and current (adelman).
Great, who was Steve Harris? Do you remember Buck Johnson? What about Mike Newlin? Yes, I know....as you mature, you will grow to understand team dynamics better too. There is hope for you yet. DD
a good discussion involves admitting when a person is right, or wrong. you've always been right in that tracy is an inefficient scorer (that is a huge weakness of his). but you're COMPLETELY (200%) wrong in that tracy mcgrady is not a great playmaker. he's more than great, he's elite when healthy.
When did you start watching the Rockets? I think that has a lot to do with the Tmac generation, they are more the ESPN dunks a lot crowd, and ignore good team play. Because, well a guy can jump high and finish at the rim. Whereas I value production, pure production a dunk is no better than a layup...two points is two points. DD
DaDakota, you aren't the most ignorant poster on this board. However, you're pretty ignorant, and you're definitely the most outspoken, and that's a dangerous combination. So I've taken it upon myself to point out your fallacies to protect the rest of the readers here who might mistake your volume, frequency, and persistence for actual basketball knowledge. 1. DD says "Whatever.....I am sure people standing around watching Tmac work will get this team out of the first round, I mean, it has always worked out." unbeknown to him, and as adroitly pointed out by t_mac1, is that this is FUNDAMENTAL basketball. we all love ball movement and cutting, but there are times in a game where the motion doesn't work, breaks down, and you HAVE to have a player who can singlehandedly create a shot for himself or for others. standing around and watching a playmaker seemed to work out for jordan, kobe, lebron, etc. (aka ANY team which has had any type of playoff success has had a player capable of going to work 1-on-1). not that tmac is on their level, but he is certainly in that category of playmaker. if you do not accept this fundamental aspect of the game as true then i am not quite sure how you can expect your opinions to be taken with any seriousness. 2. DD says: "We don't need a guy who can dribble per se, just a guy who can create by going to the hole when Brooks is doubled, drive and dish so to speak." and keeps the fun going with this gem: "Drive and dish off of a cut, in other words don't do it off the dribble." i think these speak for themselves. driving and dishing without dribbling? by george, you've found the secret formula to basketball success! i guess driving and dishing off a cut (as opposed to off the dribble) means people cut into the lane, get the ball passed to them, and immediately pass the ball back out whilst still on the move and without putting the ball down on the floor? i'd love to see this tactic implemented more by basketball teams... 3. DD says: "See....I mean the stats just don't suit what you guys perceive. AI is not primarily a playmaker and neither is Tmac....." while pointing out AI avg more assists than T-mac. Nevermind the fact that Kobe, who I think we can all agree is still the best player in the game and a legitimate playmaker, ALSO AVERAGES LESS ASSISTS THAN AI. In response to anyone who points out this incredible logical inconsistency, DD says: "No, that is not my current argument that is your PERCEPTION of my current argument. My current argument is he is not as much of a playmaker as people are saying he is...and while you bring hopes and beliefs, I bring facts." Yes, DD, you bring facts. You bring facts about assist numbers to show AI and T-mac are not playmakers, implying the number of assists is irrelevant to whether one is a playmaker, but then go on to repeat that the assist stats are "12 YEARS OF DATA" we simply cannot ignore while constantly pointing out that tmac averages only 4.7 assists...what? No amount of revisionist history about what your original argument was will change that. But forget all the little things you've done wrong here. The most important thing for everyone to glean from this mess is that despite DD's convoluted reasoning, the bottom line is that AI, T-mac, and Kobe ARE ALL playmakers. the bottom line assists don't matter; the fact that they are all ball-dominators does. It has worked well for some (Kobe) but not others (AI, although it actually did work for him in Philly). Don't let the brash ultimatums and 'im the only one who understands the best way to play basketball' mentality of DaDakota mislead you.
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