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Brief TMac Update:Still Limping

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J-Tang, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. Deckard

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    Actually, if you watch the shoot around vids a couple of times, Tracy's spin moves appear to me to be done rather gingerly. Almost slow motion when compared to even Scola's spin moves in the paint, Luis not known for his quickness (I think he's pretty quick, myself, as long as he's not trying to get off the ground and, when running the court, has a few feet to "get up to speed" ;) )
     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Looks like Dada's repeated PR against T-mac is working in indoctrinating others.

    Swear that could have been from The Dakota himself.

    T-mac's a triple threat guy who can pass, penetrate and score from the outside and from driving.

    There's only a handful of players in the NBA who can do that, and adding that kind of player to a team that we have is like pouring gasoline onto a fire.

    The last time a relatively healthy T-mac was added to a mix we got a 22 game winning streak.

    This team is much better than that team. And T-mac is coming back much healthier than he was even then.

    I expect T-mac's return to be nothing short of a Rocket's lift-off and I think if this team will not only make the playoffs but will get HCA and advance to the first round without Yao.

    I predict the end result will be T-mac getting a one-year extension and he'll play with Yao and finally, they will make it to the NBA finals barring any kind of mega trade that makes the lakers even better.
     
  3. t_mac1

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    if we play utah, dallas, portland, denver, we WILL get out of the first round.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    What are you basing your expectations? How many microfracture people have come back and were able to get back to their old self?

    I understand you are HOPING this happens, me too....

    But expecting it....that is some serious Kool aid you got there.

    DD
     
  5. Deckard

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    Didn't Amare have something similar?
     
  6. DaDakota

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    He is the only example of a player getting back to their old athleticism.....the only one.

    Others have been effective, but did not so much rely on quickness like Kidd or Stockton, then still others were finished.

    Kittles, Houston.

    I don't believe Tmac will ever be back to his old self.....I think his explosiveness is probably long gone....

    DD
     
  7. t_mac1

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    the players you mentioned were basically one dimensional (kittles, houston, bender).

    tracy CAN (if he wants to) adjust his game after this kind of surgery.

    high post offense under adelman will revive mcgrady's career.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    How many of the folks who work with Tim Glover have come back?
     
  9. DaDakota

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    How many had microfracture?

    Apples to apples comparisons, the rest are meaningless.

    DD
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Most players lose their explosiveness by 30 - Jordan and Kobe lost a lot. T-mac will have lost a lot to.

    That doesn't diminish his play making ability and coolness under pressure.

    Ironically, the loss in his ability to not play like his old-self should make you happier from a standpoint of him just trying to fit in.

    My expectations are based on what he brings to the table and what this team needs.

    Our team needs two things:

    1. Size that can draw a double team.
    2. A facilitator who can draw double teams.

    Yao is 1 and T-mac is 2.

    They are the missing ingredient to this team. The only things this team needs to be complete.

    It's just ridiculous to throw away either one of them when you consider how rare it is to get these two things.

    Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't know. And T-mac will help this team.

    ALl you have to do is wait about 6 weeks to see it.
     
  11. Deckard

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    DD, I think McGrady's knee surgery was for (supposedly) one of the mildest forms of microfracture (or fracture that requires microfracture surgery... whatever the proper nomenclature) you can have in a knee. I least that's what I recall reading. While I'm as mad as anyone about how he acted last year, I'm just trying to look at this from all the angles. A "healthy" Tracy McGrady (healthy as in 80% of what he once was with the Rocks a few years ago, or better) is a major plus for the Rockets, either on the court, or as a trade chip, and he's going to be motivated. It's a contract year.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    T-mac's doctors, his trainer (the best there is), the staff and himself all feel he is going to return to a peak level. only you don't.

    I take all of their words for it over yours...sorry. Maybe they are all blowing smoke, but it seems it went really well...and reports are all very positive.

    I don't understand why you can't just wait a few months to make a decision. I mean, beacuse you want him to fail. You just want him out. You don't care if it costs us you will find a way to say we had to do it and are better off.

    You've been playing the record for 8 months over and over - and despite all the positive news that have come from the T-mac side, you ignore it and dwell on your interpretation of the past.

    Yes, I know he had a dissappointing last year. I know he doesn't fit the mold of the kind of guys you love. I know all of the 50-something critiques you have of him.

    So what is there left for you to say? Why do you continue to pound the guy - why not wait until he steps on the court and then pound him at least?
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Not just me, you are just focusing on me.

    Only Grover has said this the rest you are just making up.....no doctor said it, no staff said it, and TMac saying it means nothing, he has exaggerated for years.

    And, Grover is paid by Tmac.....

    Ignore stuff like people talking about him favoring his knee, like Ric Bucher and Joey Dorsey, what do they know? I am sure they are all anti Tmac, right?

    I have had it with Tmac, he quits, he doesn't play hard, and he throws his teamates under a bus, I don't want him on the Rockest anymore. We are better without him.

    Peter crying wolf....peter crying wolf, peter crying wolf.

    I don't want him to screw up this team, his style, his attitude, and his being a prima donna are not needed.

    Time to move on.....

    I don't like quitters !!

    And he quits.

    As for being a broken record, I am just countering all the nonsense his fans are spewing....keeping it real...!!!!

    DD
     
  14. TheGreat

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    He really didn't need microfracture, it was only .5 CM which is REALLY really low considering microfracture.

    He can still be good (20,5,5) even with a reduced kind of quickness, speed.
     
  15. Fullcourt

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    Yeah, I specifically remember hearing that he had surgery on the part of his knee that doesn't get weight put on it when you stand/run/play.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    We shall see....but I ain't buying.

    DD
     
  17. eman

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    20/5/5 would make him about as good as Ariza.
     
  18. TheGreat

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    1) I doubt Ariza will sustain his averages. Pierce averages 19 this year with 5 rebounds and 4 assists so I'm guessing you think Ariza is just as good as Pierce which is silly. Again, I doubt you think Ariza is but im just saying.

    2) McGrady with around 17 shots and relatively healthy will give you around 22,6,6 with better percentages. McGrady will obviously make his team better with far superior passing ability

    3) McGrady will most likely have better percentages and much better efficiency (3.3

    4) McGrady (Better passer, better ball handler, better shot off the dribble, ect), simply a BETTER offensive player then Ariza.

    Again, those were my estimates, I just hope this team is healthy enough with all the players to make a big playoff push.
     
  19. t_mac1

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    i would imagine tracy getting at least 2-3 double teams though no
     
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    I'm glad somebody on this board knows something about basketball! ;)
     

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