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Brent Barry: Can he produce..really?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Ready, Sep 15, 2008.

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  1. v3.0

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    well he's got 2 kids...
     
  2. tiger0330

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    I was going to say huge positive for the team but his limited minutes don't deserve that kind of description. Longer and more athletic than Head, though Head has the advantage in speed, Barry's ability to dunk the ball along with his reliable jumper gives him the edge over Luther. I expect Heads minutes will be down dramatically this year with BB on the team.
     
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    Watch the playoffs against la. game 6 he was the only one keeping them in the game. he was knocking down big shots all over the place.i see him being a 11 points type player off the bench for us.
     
  4. kops630

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    Hopefully, he could do sth. for the Rockets.

    Although, i don't think an old player could contribute much for a championship team; but, still expect something could brought.
     
  5. SuperKev

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    In 06-07 he was #1 in the NBA in his TS%. In fact he was #1 4 of the last 10 years. He shot free throws at 95% last year and 88% the previous year. No-one is dumb enough to leave BB wide open for a jumper.

    He will also be our only player with a decent all around hot-zone chart shooting 35% from his -worst zone-(right corner), ranging up to 54% from three in the left corner. Shane Battier shoots best from the right corner and wing (which makes them a beautiful combination). He can backup at the 1 and is 67% on layups. For comparison in 06-07 Tracy was 54%, Rafer was 45% and Luther was 53%.

    Major thought process had to be involved in the mathmatics of bringing BB to the team. Clearly he helps us in numerous combinations and in the areas where we are weakest which were FT shooting with Yao on the bench, Wing shots, shots from left corner (which also happens to be luthers weak shot). Moneyball all the way I guess.
     
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    As others have said, Barry can at the very least be expected to be an upgrade over Head. He is a savvy vet who can teach the younger players the tricks of the trade. He can bring both accurate and clutch shooting, as well as smart/crafty passing ability (so says Adelman).

    That being said, I personally am not expecting too much out of him. I think with our squad from last year plus Artest, we are an elite team. Anything Barry contributes is a plus in my book.
     
  7. bringonthe3s

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    Brent's impact will be his leadership, clutch 3s and steady ballhandling.

    Let's trade luther.
    Then, we let's get another athletic and average shooting wingman(SG/SF) that we won't expect to deliver now but will be the under the wing of our veterans (Tmac, Shane, Ron, Brent).
     
  8. saleem

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    We aren't likely to get someone like that by trading Luther alone.It probably will take something more eg another 1st round pick .
     
  9. SmeggySmeg

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    completely agree, his legitimate ability to spread the floor would be great, unless the miraclous Steve lazarus comeback happens or Brooks dramtically improves, there must be some times (10 minutes and maybe in the 4th) when Brent plays the 1 inconjuntion with real the point TMac, especially if Rafer is bricking more than usual, also his free throw shooting alone would have probably got us over Utah last year, perhaps he can help the others with getting more FREE points

    More importantly, the potential of a rockets series of HEB ads starring Brent, Tracy, Yao, Ron and Shane is worth salivating about........and something i can barely wait for........ surely Yao would make a great Mango tree :D

    don't bump the Mango tree!!!!!!!
     
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    well I would comment on this.... but every time I make a comment it gets randomly removed by someone...... even when its a positive supporting comment..... so whats the point? clutch? hmmm?
     
  11. mrfirefly7

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    I agree with most of what you said, but I wouldn't count him on FTs or layups. He only attempted 0.7 FT per game last season. Most likely close to 70% of his scoring will be from 3 point land and rest from jump shot.
     
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    Oh I absolutely agree. The volume of layups and ft will be low. But actually a minor difference vs. the baseline (where our baseline in those two categories is so low to begin with) will be positive.

    One example: Luther Head in the playoffs vs. Utah played a total of 45 minutes in the series. Bobby Jackson played 137 minutes.

    Playoffs this year:
    Luther Head: 7% from the field.
    Bobby Jackson: 28.6% from the field.
    Brent Barry: 49.1% from the field.

    If you replace BJ's shot attempts with BB's, BB would have scored 87 points vs. BJ's 52. Even spread across a series 35 points should make a noticable difference.

    Same math for replacement of LH (just 45 minute of play) would have resulted in 13 points scored vs. just 4. 9 point delta. Our game 4 loss was decided by just 4 points.

    Just some more thoughts about the subject.
     
  13. SuperKev

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    Oh and one other thing. The data pool for the playoff shooting percentage for BB was decent at 53 shots taken.
     
  14. leebigez

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    I'm going to be kind. He was a good low risk/value signing. Personally, I would have added him late offseason, but what's done is done. Barry is solid and smart. He's a liability on defense which is why he stayed in Popovich's doghouse. Its another reason why they replaced him with Mason Jr. If Barry is playing more than 10-15 mins a night, you're team is either not good,or in trouble because of injuries. In his younger days he could actually run some pg, now he's a sieve and will getthe defense broken down. He's not strong enough to play 2/3's nor is he quick enough for pg's. That makes him a situational player.
     
  15. Jeff Who

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    Of course he's not the same player he was before but he is a veteran and I belive he still remembers how to shoot the ball. At least he will be better than Head and yes, I think he will contribute well for this team.
     
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    I'm not sure if he can produce,but I can guarantee that he can reproduce.I bet with my damn dog that he can produce as long as he can reproduce.Then I bet he can produce.
    As a experienced veteran who has won two championship rings with the san antonio subtle spurs, barry is gonna help us in the key games with his precise and powerful shootings. :D
     
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    Like many has said before. Barry is strickly for playoff time guard duty of opponent PG and provide us with some shootings and spacing on the floor.
    Head hasn't been able to provide us with anything in the last couple of playoffs runs, so we need someone else. maybe barry would be able to push head or provide mentor.

    we are keeping head, so he must be some what useful to us.
     
  18. WNBA

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    Screw Barry, we got Strawberry
     
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    I'm sure Barry will be productive if healthy, but will he be durable and healthy enough to be a solid backup behind McGrady for the regular season and beyond? If not, I think Adelman will have Barry and Head platooning the backup SG spot, with Francis joining the fray if he turns out to be ready to contribute.

    This sort of platooning, however, is not the most ideal situation. I'd rather see one guy taking the majority of the minutes outright, bringing stability to the position. The problem is, I don't see Barry, Head or Francis being that guy. Each has weaknesses that keep them from being the answer at the backup SG.
     
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    This sign wasn't overrated at all,BB is the most experienced veteran in this team,he also is the most reliable shooter in the team, he will give us which we want,I believe.
     

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