It costs 300.00 for a one way flight from Mexico to Toronto or Montreal. Mexican citizens don't need visas to enter Canada. Some of the Canadian border is a row of flower pots. No joke. That dumb as dirt wall goes up, it only benefits the airlines. The Canadian border is VERY easy to cross and there will never be a wall there. With this knowledge, if someone still wants a wall, it's because they don't like brown people and are too dumb to realize it will make no difference.
If the northern border becomes a problem, you would then take measures against that but as of now, it's only the southern border that is a problem. Hell ever since the new Canadian Prime Minister shot his mouth off about wanting to welcome all people to Canada they've had their illegal immigration numbers spike....although nowhere near the level that we deal with. Either way, Canada has more problems from illegal immigrants heading there from the US than the US does illegal immigrants heading to the US from Canada right now. Your attempt to suggest that wanting to secure the border is somehow racist is beyond foolish and really harms any attempt to debate the actual issues.....so if you'd drop that nonsense, it would be productive.
The GOP could have compromised in early 2018 and gotten $25 billion for border security and a more GOP centric immigration reform in exchange for DACA. How about we support immigration reform? Frankly, I doubt $25 billion would still be on the table with a Democratic House.
It's already a problem, illegal immigration from the Canadian border is up 140% last year. So what now, prepare to build a second wall? If building a wall would only exploit other ways for illegals to come into our country, why build it? And that's with me giving a wall supporter such as yourself the benefit of the doubt that it would actually work. If there is no logical reasons for the wall, that's when I look to other reasons such as wall supporters simply being racists. What other conclusion could I come to? You may call it foolish, but if it is, why do most Hispanics legal or illegal oppose the wall while most that approve of the wall are white people? Coincedence?
I think Trump and minions don't understand how offensive his (from the liberal viewpoint viewpoint) percieved xenophobia/racism is. They chuckle about Trump Derangrment Syndrome and think it's just temporary insanity and the liburalz aren't actually upset about anything real. They think Dems are refusing to just give Trump his wall just to be churlish. I get that you guys think that there's nothing sorted about Trumps immigration views and I'm not going to try and argue with you about it. But you need to understand that there are a bunch of people who genuinely feel otherwise. It isnt just some arbitrary position chosen to screw with Trump.
LOL what a dishonest statement. Sure, it's up 142%.....which makes it 445. There are many thousands that illegally cross INTO Canada and tens of thousands that are caught on the southern border every MONTH, and you want to talk about 445 total. Again, building the wall would secure the southern border, that is a good thing in and of itself. If it also discouraged people to put their children at risk trying to cross deserts on foot only to have those children die shortly after they are caught in this country, it's worth doing. As to the other methods, if they become anywhere near as big a problem as people just straight up walking into the country, then you make efforts to stop that too, but I think we both know that it wouldn't ever get that bad. You say that "most Hispanics" oppose the wall, but by far the most anti-illegal immigration people I know are legal immigrants and the absolute most pro wall person I know is a legal immigrant from El Salvador.....but sure they're all racists because they disagree with your pro Illegal immigration stances.
No, being anti-wall is normally just a "orange man bad" type take, but I was saying that in that particular poster's case it seemed as if they were pro illegal immigration. Basically those who equate border security to racism are generally your pro illegal immigration types. That said, I could be wrong. Believe it or not it has happened once or twice before.
Canadians don't jump the border so building a wall does nothing. the illegal Canadian immigration go through the border legally and overstay their visas.
I think most importantly we recognize how not that long ago Democrats supported the idea of a physical border....after all, it was Democrats who helped pass 700 miles worth of fencing in 2006. Hillary Clinton voted for it, Joe Biden voted for it, Chuck Schumer voted for it....hell Obama said then that the physical border the bill was funding would "certainly do some good" and "help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country." In 2013 Democrats were calling for 8 billion to reinforce and repair that 700 mile fence....but now 5 billion is too much to ask for. Only after Trump called for completing the job and securing the border with a wall did they change their minds and decide that physical borders were ineffective and racist. I honestly don't understand how there is anyone out there that can't see what is going on here. It's nothing but playing politics.
You are talking about two things that aren't the same. Democrats are not against fencing along parts of the border. The money Trump wants isn't to repair the fence that is there. He wants to build a stupid wall. If 30 million is too much to spend investigating and finding actual crimes, then 5 bil is way too much to build a wall that won't work.
First, we don’t know if the Southern border is the only concern right now. Last I looked, we didnt know how many illegal aliens came via plane compared to physically crossing the Southen border... or how many were expired visas. Second, are you seriously open to the possibility of building a war all along the Southern border AND potentially the Northern border?
Yeah, he wants to expand the system to cover the entire border.....which Democrats have been on record supporting in the past....before it was a Trump policy. The only reason most are against it is because "orange man bad", and most of the rest are genuinely pro illegal immigration and anti borders. You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to reconcile why 700 miles of physical border will "certainly do some good" and "help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country." and yet adding to that system to secure the rest of the border is useless and racist. Those who hate Trump to a point of a near pathological condition are certainly willing to of course.
First, the southern border is by far the biggest problem right now. You have tens of thousands trying to get in every single MONTH....and that's just those who get caught. There's no question that people overstaying visas is also a problem, but having other problems too is not a valid reason to decided not to fix one problem. As to the northern border, sure, if the northern border becomes a problem like the southern border currently is, that would be a good idea. Right now you have a couple hundred a year coming in via the northern border and thousands crossing from America INTO Canada illegally every year.....it's more of a problem for Canada than for America at the moment. Perhaps they should consider building a wall.
No, but they've been on record saying that building physical borders "certainly do some good" and that they will "help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country".....and like I said before You have to do some serious mental gymnastics to reconcile why 700 miles of physical border will "certainly do some good" and "help stem some of the tide of illegal immigration in this country." and yet adding to that system to secure the rest of the border is useless and racist. Those who hate Trump to a point of a near pathological condition are certainly willing to of course. Now if you feel like doing those mental gymnastics, more power to you, but it's obvious that a physical border would be a good thing...it was even obvious to Democrats before Trump Derangement Syndrome and the drastic move left that has happened over the last 10+ years to where there are now outright socialists and anti borders types showing up on the left more and more often.
Well, some people that throw around the TDS thing certainly believe that Trump courts racists and is a horrible person that should get 0 support, or at least they did. It's just that when he won they changed their views on him entirely, I guess because BLUE TEAM BAD. I mean look at this... What happened bro?
The fact that I don't like Trump, and I hated the way he conducted himself during the campaign doesn't mean that I'm automatically going to oppose anything he supports. That would just be stupid. I still worry about his mindset when it comes to being president, I think Hillary would have been the safer option when it comes to the day to day business of being president. The reason I didn't vote for either of them however is that they are both scumbags who don't deserve to be president. I still believe that Trump is not a conservative, he's a former Democrat that simply looks like a conservative due to how far left that party has moved their center. The problem is that those with Trump Derangement Syndrome make those who have more nuanced positions look like Trump supporters by comparison because they don't fall into the "orange man bad" trap when it comes to EVERY issue. Also, there's a difference between when someone is a candidate and you are hoping for better options and when that person is president and you are stuck with it and hoping for the best. I'd be doing the same if Hillary was president. I'd criticize the moves that I don't agree with and support those that I did agree with. So far, Trump hasn't pushed too much radical nonsense....but EVERYTHING he's pushed has been framed as radical nonsense by the TDS crowd. Funding a physical border was supported by Democrats not that long ago....and they asked for more money to do so than Trump is currently asking....what changed?
