BREAKING: Shooting at a Wisconsin temple, 20+ shot, 4 dead, kids being held hostage?

You are wrong.. I'm usually never on CF.net on weekends. I have a life. I'm on more periodically throughout the day at work. I would imagine this is so for most people 25+.

 

I always harken back to the founders of American constitution and find it rather odd how people make these men out to be deities, yet do not embrace the progress of American society and its people.

Moreover, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the suspect may have been a Christian. If that's the case, then I must say that people don't truly believe in Jesus Christ said and simply use his words for decorations.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184217/Sikh-temple-massacre-First-victims-revealed.html

Absolutely Sad.

The Priest died, The Temple President died.

 

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You have a life on Sunday night? Really..

What the hell is there to do on a Sunday night?

 

Let me guess. you are in college?

 

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Yeah. But like I said, I might be wrong. Thanks for giving another perspective of that.

Not gonna derail the thread further. The fact that this stuff is happening so often this summer is really blowing my mind. It's just really sad.

 

I am going to say it again. The more we overlook bigotry and hate, the more loonies like these will start to crawl out of their holes. You can find plenty of it on the media (TV, radio) and forums (some of the stuff on yahoo forums is downright scary and there are numerous culprits). Loonies on yahoo forums encourage each other. Heck, there is plenty of bigotry on the D&D forum here, itself.

Most of the people hide behind their keyboards to spew the hate but there are a few that will get up and try to become a "hero".

 

People like rush limbaugh, Sean hannity, Glenn beck, and bill o'reilly are really part of the problem here. You can see ordinary people get influenced by them. Heck look at bigtexx, basso, trader_jorge, tallanvor, aroundtheworld, and izakdavid13. This is on our own forum.

 

This. There needs to be a war on bigotry.

 

there is no hype surrounding this massacre


the movie theater shooting had all the hype beasts out

 

Horrible act of terrorism. Seriously, Sikhs are some of the nicest people out there. Some people really have major screws loose in their head to carry out such an atrocity like this. Condolences out to the Sikh community.

There are actually quite a few Muslims who are white. Muslims aren't specific to any race or nationality and there are Muslims of every race and background.

 

Very sad.

Someone who studied with me in Houston is a Sikh. Very nice guy. He tried to travel a few days after 9/11 and was put under intense scrutiny and wrote an article about how he thought this was wrong. Anyway, because of him and through him, I learned about the Sikh.

This is terrible. Condolences to the victims.

That said, I find some of the responses in this thread annoying and disturbing. I will address some of them (I don't know if this thread will eventually be moved to the D&D, but I am just responding to posts already made).

This thread now has 6 pages. The Fort Hood shooting thread in this same forum ended with 6 pages (of which probably 2 were just SamFisher spewing hate and people responding to that). What exactly is "extremely telling" about this? Where were you two to complain that that thread "didn't have enough pages" back then?

In fact, your posts made me go back and read that thread.

I have to commend rocketsjudoka for consistency:

He posted there:

He posted in this thread:

Good post, however, what rocketsjudoka did not address is how many people actually jumped to conclusions in this thread here about why this probably happened. Especially some of the Muslim posters immediately have the self-victimization reflex and automatically assume that the shooter must have meant to target Muslims - when we know absolutely nothing about his motives yet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184217/Sikh-temple-massacre-First-victims-revealed.html

Apparently he had some right-wing tattoos, which could mean that he just hated people who looked different than whites - but that would be speculation. We simply don't know. This is why I find the following posts irritating:

First of all, the police is apparently treating this as an act of domestic terrorism. So what exactly are you complaining about?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184217/Sikh-temple-massacre-First-victims-revealed.html


Secondly, we don't know at all if the guy was trying to attack Muslims. He was obviously a crazy, evil person, but we don't really know more yet.



It seems like it would be kind of difficult to miss that sign and think they were Muslims. But who knows. I just find the pre-emptive self-victimization of some of the Muslim/Islamist posters here interesting, especially considering that none of them appeared in the Fort Hood shooting thread.

In fact, in the Fort Hood shooting thread, people were complaining that the media released the name of the attacker:

Another category of posts which is annoying and disturbing is the one that tries to pin blame on media and even posters on this site for the terrible attack:

These posts are insulting and wrong. Once again, go back to the Fort Hood thread. Although it eventually turned out that the guy was in fact motivated by his religious beliefs, nobody would blame posters on this site for what he did. He was crazy. But where was Zboy to "say it again" and complain about the bigotry the Fort Hood shooter was taught? Yup, Zboy was a no-show. Where was da1 to name posters from this forum who share the same ideology as the Fort Hood shooter? Yup, no-show.

The best post on this thread here, in my opinion, was this one:

I agree.

To all the posters quoted above who try to to use this thread to self-victimize, accuse posters here of bigotry or other political gain: Shame on you.

 

Ohhh you mean conservatives........

Again, FBI hate crime stats say you idiots don't know what you are talking about. 1,552 hate crimes based on religion in 2010. And 65% are against Jews. Though anything above 0 is depressing, that's an incredibly small number.

Also, **** you for coming into a mass murder thread and blaming other posters.

 

ATW, the domestic news has done everything they can to paint this as religious confusion. I only watched about 5 minutes of coverage on a national nonFox news channel yesterday... they had a Sikh speaker on who the newscasters were quizzing on the difference between Sikhism and Islam.

 

Massacre Fatigue

 

Who cares if they were supposed to be Muslim or that they are Sikh? Frankly I don't care. I don't think Priests' lives are more valuable, I don't think Muslim or Sikh lives are more valuable, I don't think white people are more crazy than anyone else. Not more or less crazy than the biggest terrorists in the world as far as any of us know.

These people are dead as a result of a terrorist. Innocent lives gone, they had dreams, goals and ambitions. There is no need to drown this story with religiosity or race, and drown out the individuality of the victims and perpetrators.

The solution is always the same - this behavior is typically the result of socio economic problems. Get to the root of those problems. Improve education. Create more dialogue. It is blatantly clear to everyone else in the world and most of the people in your country that something is wrong at home. We can argue about the semantics, but there is a problem and it is getting out of hand. America needs to take the lead on how to solve these problems, as there are many countries who need to address these problems too.

Condolences to the victims. Here's hoping Americans respond in an inspiring way, if for no other reason than the spotlight shines brightest there.

 

How many of those crimes never should have happened because of religious confusion? Go tell the people that lost loved ones that they weren't targeted. And the vitriolic nature of your posts and radio show hosts and those like you does influence loonies whether you choose to admit it or not.

 

1. I worry it is not 'hyped' because of who the victims are. The media frankly don't care as much about non white lives as others. It is not as news worthy.
2. I m worried we are getting desensatized to this maddness. "What? It was *ONLY* 4 people. It has to be At LEast 10 for us to care" - Media

Make no mistake home much people 'care' about this is driven by the media to a good extent. Or rather the perception of how much we care.

Rocket River

 

As for the concept of them killing them because they thought they were Muslim.
It is n issue because
It demonstrates how ignorant of the world outside their area some folx are. We *can* do something about that. It falls into the THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE SO THEY ALL ALIKE syndrone that is far far too prevalent. [HE WORE A HOODIE!! EVERYONE KNOWS HOODS WEAR HOODIES!!]

I Pray for the victims and their families.
I hope Justice is served . . . quickly and correctly

Rocket River

 

I don't particularly want to respond to this post but since I have been called out in it I will.

Honestly I find it fairly ironic for you to be criticizing other posters for reflexive action when this appears to be your own MO and criticizing the Muslim posters (who may or not be Muslim to begin with.) I am not sure that you are in position to criticize others on reflex regarding your posting. As far as criticizing me for not joining you in criticizing them. Did you even consider that maybe I hadn't yet read through the thread?

This is a terrible tragedy and one that we are still sorting out what happened. Personally I think many are jumping to conclusions about what caused this shooting, something we should've learned from the Gabby Gifford's shooting. Frankly though you seem more interested in going after other posters than you do discussing this tragedy itself.