tiger let me give you an example of what this secret organization would do. headline: massive rock slide destroys small village headline: [blank] involved in car accident headline: [blank] found washed ashore, possible shark attack headline: [blank] has allergic reaction to chocolate bar headline: massive earthquake hits [blank]
I think it is really important to differentiate between people who follow a religion and people who are actively trying to kill for a religion. Could I ask for clairifcation on that? Are you saying that because some "zionist" somewhere says "down with muslims," then "Muslims have every right to kill every Zionist and every Zionist supporter"? That post really took me by surprise, I hope I am misunderstanding it. Just because Muslims carried out murderous attacks against America or Israel or whatever, Americans or Israeli's or Jews or whoever do not have "every right" to "kill every muslim and every muslim supporter," not by a longshot. Speaking of that, i am damn happy this attack did not go off. 1) Because those innocent people and families in those planes would have been dead and their loved ones would be heartbroken and 2) because I honestly think the response would have been massive and horrific. Maybe I am way way overstating it, but have visions of Tehran and Demascus being demolished with nuclear weapons, and hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children dead. Can you imagine.
thats why i'm adovating a new independent, red tape free, secret organization of the CIA. Ayatollah chokes on dinner. or major car accident in Iran (president whatevermajad involved). Syrian president attacked by great white shark..
America, IMHO, is built on capitalism, first and foremost. To me that means gettin' ours no matter what's in the way, our american history shows that...pushing off the native americans from their land, Manifest Destiny, etc. I don't like big brother getting into my personal biz, I don't like the patriot act, but I don't like it either when someone screws up our way of living because they don't like the way we live. Don't get me wrong, we want their oil, and we do it the american way, barter first for it, then impose our power on them and take it...oh don't forget secret handshakes and what not behind the scenes. America is not as noble as what we built it up to be, but it's where I prefer to live and anyone who wants to hurt my country needs to be wiped out.
The definition of terrorism scholars. People who have spent their life studying this type of action and not the definition of some guy sitting in his basement updating Wikipedia.
If you would like to talk about semantics we can. But targeting civilians is the same(on a right and wrong basis) no matter who targets them. Whether we should call it one name when x does it and a different name when y does it, is secondary and a diversion from what everyone is talking about.
No, it's not. Everytime someone on here says AQ/HB is a terrorist someone says, Israel is a terrorist, too. But it's just not true. There's a reason we define words. Otherwise, we'd be calling everyday criminals terrorists. I can understand if you say they 'terrorize' but terrorism is a term with a definition that most recognize as non-state actors targeting civilians or property with the purpose of political gain.
How do you know those "terrorism scholars" were not writing their papers in their basements? How do you know the guys who published the wiki article on terrorism did it in their basements? How do you know the latter are NOT terrorism experts/scholars? Why don't you show us the "definition" of terrorism from your source?
I don't have any issue with that. It's unfortunate though that for some people (ahem, SJC), labeling someone a "terrorist" allows for carte blanche by "your side". Such ignorant thinking obfuscates the reality that both sides are killing innocents a la your textbook definition. Of course, you're also ignoring that we already do call everday criminals terrorists, and that we have called Iraq under Saddam a terrorist state, but I don't want to ruin your simplistic good-bad version of the world. Carry on.
I was using tinman's logic when I was replying to his post. I didn't call for the death of Zionists, but I said if using the same line of thought tinman was using then my post would also hold true.
Good job by law enforcement here in the US and UK getting these guys but to me this tells me that it is practically inevitable that sooner or later one of these major terrorist acts will succeed. The problem is that terrorism isn't an ideology but a tactic and until we can address the root causes for that the prevalence of extremists ideologies there's always going to be a threat of terrorism. Military action is a component of it but IMO shouldn't be a primariy component as in many cases it just seems to fuel extremism. We have to figure out a far better strategy than what we have because from what happened in Madrid, London last year and today there still are people willing to engage in terrorism and there will be as long as the causes to motivate people to become terrorist continue to exist.
So americans can be arrested without concern for their civil rights and no day in court? American citizens just dissapear? Forget the Constitution of the United States? If this secreat organization says you are a terrorist that's it for you? This is what you want America to become? On the foreign level. American's secrert oragnization should just do go into other soverign nations and take their citizen? Again no trial they just disappear? Of course this is an act of war, but you could not care less about that right? And you believe this is the way to go for America?
People have trouble realizing that Jack Bauer is a fictional character. However I wish he wasnt. WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR?????
