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Breaking News: Rice to testify

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Baqui99, Mar 30, 2004.

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  1. mc mark

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    Agreed, she'll be just vague enough to satisfy the lawyers and placate the masses.

    hope she doesn't cry
     
  2. Baqui99

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    And brining up Monica Lewinsky is almost as old as Oldy Olson...[​IMG]


    Explain to me again how lying about getting a blowjob is the same as lying about something as important as what happened in the days prior to the worst event in our history. Please explain how Bill Clinton's "love" life has any effect on our country. Please explain to me why we wasted millions of OUR dollars investigating Clinton, and now these same people don't want the same thorough investigation done now ?? Give me a break.
     
  4. ZRB

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    I guess the White House Production Department must have finished writing her script.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Do you think Condi is going to have a wardrobe malfunction?

    ;)
     
  6. Sishir Chang

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    This has been an issue where I can see the Admin's point.

    On the one hand I can see how it is important for presidents to be able to get advice from their chief advisors without having to worry that that advice will be made public.

    I agree that it is important to find out whether 9/11 could or couldn't have been prevented but at the same time it will be hard for a president to make difficult decisions if potentially everything his advisors tell him will be made public even before his term ends.

    I will add this that I find it pretty hypocritical that Repub. Congressmen like Tom DeLay have been going out of their way to defend Executive Privelage when during the Clinton Impeachment they were blasting Clinton and his staff for asserting the exact same privelage.

    The privelage is the privelage whether it is for acts of national security or the president's sex life because the only way to find out what information is being withheld you have to break that privelage in the first place.
     
  7. 4chuckie

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    So now there are levels of lies? So some lies are ok but others aren't?
     
  8. Rocket River

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    the NO ONE ELSE on the staff will Testify is the major thing
    now Condi can say anything
    and have NO ONE back it up . .or disprove it . .. .

    Master Stroke of politic by the Bush Admin
    and Horrendous cave in by the Commission
    unless that is all by design

    Dog and Pony show over there

    Rocket River
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Clinton lied about Screwing Monica
    Bush lied about Screwing America. . . yea they are equal :rolleyes:

    Rocket River
     
  10. GladiatoRowdy

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    Some lies lead to much worse results. Clinton's lie was NOT OK, but Bush's lie sent hundreds of American soldiers to their death in an unjustifiable war.
     
  11. giddyup

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    Can you recite that lie for us?
     
  12. gifford1967

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    There is a grave danger of an attack on the US by Al Qaeda, using WMDs supplied by Iraq.
     
  13. GladiatoRowdy

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    Not one, but several.

    "The regime . . . has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other."

    Source: President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours, White House (3/17/2003).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq was providing support to al Qaeda. In fact, the U.S. intelligence community had conflicting evidence on this issue and was divided regarding whether there was an operational relationship. This statement also was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing al Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario.


    "One of the greatest dangers we face is that weapons of mass destruction might be passed to terrorists who would not hesitate to use those weapons. Saddam Hussein has longstanding, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in aquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner."

    Source: President's Radio Address, White House (2/8/2003).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it asserted that Iraq was providing support to al Qaeda. In fact, the U.S. intelligence community had conflicting evidence on this issue and was divided regarding whether there was an operational relationship. The statement also was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing al Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario.


    "All the world has now seen the footage of an Iraqi Mirage aircraft with a fuel tank modified to spray biological agents over wide areas. Iraq has developed spray devices that could be used on unmanned aerial vehicals with ranges far beyond what is permitted by the Security Council. A UAV launched from a vessel off the American coast could reach hundreds of miles inland."

    Source: President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed that Iraq’s UAVs were intended and able to spread biological weapons, including over the United States, but failed to mention that the U.S. government agency most knowledgeable about UAVs and their potential applications, the Air Force’s National Air and Space Intelligence Center, had the following view: the "U.S. Air Force does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological (CBW) agents."


    "And the United States, along with a growing coalition of nations, is resolved to take whatever action is necessary to defend ourselves and disarm the Iraqi regime. September the 11th, 2001, the American people saw what terrorists could do by turning four airplanes into weapons. We will not wait to see what terrorists or terrorist states could do with chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear weapons."

    Source: President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because by referencing the September 11 attacks in conjunction with discussion of the war on terror in Iraq, it left the impression that Iraq was connected to September 11. In fact, President Bush himself in September 2003 acknowledged "We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th." This statement also was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing terrorists who would attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario, and Iraq appeared to be "drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks" against the United States for fear of providing cause for war.


    "The [Iraqi] report also failed to deal with issues which have arisen since 1998, including: . . . attempts to acquire uranium and the means to enrich it."

    Source: Letter to Cheney/Senate, White House (1/20/2003).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq sought to acquire uranium despite the fact that the CIA expressed doubts about the credibility of this claim in two memos to the White House, including one addressed to National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice. CIA Director George Tenet also warned against using the claim in a telephone call to Ms. Rice's deputy. In addition, the statement fails to mention that State Department intelligence officials also concluded that this claim was "highly dubious."


    "Today the world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq. A dictator who has used weapons of mass destruction on his own people must not be allowed to produce or possess those weapons. We will not permit Saddam Hussein to blackmail and/or terrorize nations which love freedom."

    Source: President Bush Speaks to Atlantic Youth Council, CNN (11/20/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq posed an urgent threat despite the fact that the U.S. intelligence community had deep divisions and divergent points of view regarding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. As Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet noted in February 2004, "Let me be clear: analysts differed on several important aspects of these programs and those debates were spelled out in the Estimate. They never said there was an 'imminent' threat."


    "Saddam Hussein is a man who told the world he wouldn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he's got them . . . . And not only that, [he would] like nothing more than to hook up with one of these shadowy terrorist networks like Al Qaeda, provide some weapons and training to them, let them come do his dirty work, and we wouldn't be able to see his fingerprints on his action."

    Source: Iraq Must Disarm Says President in South Dakota Speech, White House (11/3/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing Al Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario, and the intelligence community believed that Iraq appeared to be "drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks" against the United States for fear of providing cause for war.


    "And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produced chemical and biological weapons. Yet Saddam Hussein has chosen to build and keep these weapons despite international sanctions, U.N. demands, and isolation from the civilized world."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


    "We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed that Iraq’s UAVs were intended and able to spread chemical or biological weapons, including over the United States, but failed to mention that the U.S. government agency most knowledgeable about UAVs and their potential applications, the Air Force’s National Air and Space Intelligence Center, had the following view: the "U.S. Air Force does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological (CBW) agents."


    "Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq sought aluminum tubes for use in its nuclear weapons program, failing to mention that the government’s most experienced technical experts at the U.S. Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were "poorly suited" for this purpose.


    "After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


    "Saddam Hussein . . . is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it failed to acknowledge the intelligence community's deep division on the issue of whether Iraq was actively pursuing its nuclear program.


    "[Iraq] possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it professed certainty when the intelligence community provided only an "estimate." According to CIA Director George Tenet, "it is important to underline the word estimate. Because not everything we analyze can be known to a standard of absolute proof." In addition, the statement failed to acknowledge the Defense Intelligence Agency position that: "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons or where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent production facilities."


    "If the Iraq regime is able to produce, buy, or steal an amount of highly enriched uranium a little larger than a single softball, it could have a nuclear weapon in less than one year."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it failed to provide the context that the U.S. intelligence community believed that Iraq probably would not be able to make a nuclear weapon until near the end of the decade.


    "Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof - the smoking gun - that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

    Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).

    Explanation: This statement was misleading because it starkly evoked a threat of Iraq detonating a nuclear bomb when there was deep division in the intelligence community on the issue of whether Iraq was actively pursuing its nuclear program.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    Sorry, didn't mean to confuse you with the facts.
     
  15. giddyup

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    Many said that Ralph Sampson would make everyone forget Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Was that a lie?

    I'm not confused by the facts. I'm concerned with the elaboration of the facts into slurs.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    When people said that about Ralph they were mistaken and couldn't know the future.

    When the Bush admin made those claims they had actual intel that was contrary to what they were telling America. They had information telling them that those statements weren't correct.

    Even if you don't accept that and you say just like the Sampson/Jabbar comparison they were mistaken, then do you now agree that Iraq was a mistake?
     
  17. Deckard

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    Hey! Don't drag Ralph into this. He was never the same after that horrific fall in Boston (damn @!&#ing Celtics!), and then his knees went south. Plus, he was playin' outta position after we got Dream and... uh, anyway, I saw Ralph Sampson play. And Bush, sir, is no Ralph Sampson!
     
  18. mc mark

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    Rice accused of terror goof

    On the day the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly was set to declare that the biggest threat to America was long-range missiles, not terrorism.

    In a speech that was never delivered, Rice failed even to mention Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden or Islamic extremist groups, former U.S. officials told The Washington Post.

    News of the scrapped speech appears to bolster charges by former counterterrorism boss Richard Clarke that the White House downgraded the importance of terrorism before Sept. 11, 2001, and was more interested in Iraq and the agenda of the previous Bush administration.

    The paper said the White House confirmed the excerpts of the speech, which pitched missile defense as a new national security strategy, and mentioned terrorism only as a threat from rogue nations such as Iraq.

    The report is likely to fuel the furor Rice faces when she testifies to the federal commission probing Sept. 11 failures.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/179478p-156037c.html
     
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    I can't believe this was the best Bush could find for NSA.
    I've been saying this for what seems like forever, but Bush has been getting bad advice. And if there were ever a President incapable of making good decisions without good advice, it's this one. He needs to clean house. I mean really clean house. Forget for a moment about the election, it's for the sake of the country.

    FIRE THEM ALL, YOU IDIOT!
     

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