BREAKING NEWS: Michael Jackson rushed to hospital with a serious heart attack

I still dont get why people mention Bob Dylan with the likes of Jackson, Elvis, and the beatles. Bob Dylan might be the greatest in his genre, but shouldn't be compared to the other three. Anyone cane easily name a Jackson, Elvis, or Beatles song with out any trouble, I wouldnt say that about Dylan unless you are a hipster that hangs in a coffee shop all day

Seriously, he's probably in the top 50 artist of all time category but not the top 5!

 

Revolutionary? Yeah okay...

He thrusted his hips when he wasnt supposed to...wasnt dancing. Just my opinion.

 

Madonna has the longevity, but I don't think she's as popular as MJ. I remember when she first burst onto he scene (damn, now I feel ancient). She influenced a lot of people, but there was a point early in her career that she was popular because she was controversial. MJ was popular early in his career simply because he was ridiculously talented and worked his tail off. He also started way earlier than Madonna.

When it comes to music popularity worldwide in terms of rock/pop, there is the "trinity" : The Beatles, Elvis, and Michael Jackson. I honestly can't think of anyone in that genre (and realy, in any other genre) that comes near their popularity on a global scale.

 

Depends on where you live and who you associate with. Where I live (a predominanty black community) I don't see it getting nearly the same reaction. But I do have a lot of friends I can think of outside the communnity that I know would be devistated. Thing is, Michael's death impacted them just as hard, and they're all girls. I don't think I have a single guy friend that would really take it hard if Madonna died. And I'm pretty sure none of my Nigerian or Asian friends that were shook up about Michael would really react one way or another.

That's the thing about Mike. His appeal was across the board, black, white, rich, poor, Western, Eastern. I just don't think anyone else could compare.

 

Maybe to white or non-black communities that hadn't seen that before. Mike's dancing was revolutionary to everyone.

 

In case you have problems reading, I said he wasn't as good a dancer... but it definitely was as revolutionary as the moonwalk.

 

I hate to break it to you, but the moonwalk existed long before Michael Jackson. If you deny that what Elvis did was revolutionary, MJ's step wasn't either.

 

There you go with that R word. Yeah okay.

 

New tribute to the king.

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Where did I specificaly say the moonwalk? I said the whole package. All of his moves (and that incredible ability to pause on a dime as he transitioned between them) and style combined with the intricate choreography was revolutionary.

All of Elvis' "revolutionary" moves were so common in black churches and clubs back then it's not even funny. It's just that his main audience was ignorant of this. I guess this is yet another matter of perspective.

And I really like Elvis too...

 

BINGO

 

By that same token :

Michael Jackson's moonwalk : old news. Mimes and comedians of the past did it.
Michael Jackson's pop-locking : popular in the 70's and 80's by breaking groups and b-boys.
Michael Jackson's dancing with the Jackson-5 : done by the Temptations and other similar groups.
Michael Jackson's dancing scenes like in Smooth Criminal : he added his own twist, but a lot of it was done on broadway. Hell the whole premise of that video was broadwayesque.

Did Michael add his own flair to make it unique? Sure. Was it revolutionary? By your own definition, since others already did similar things, he was just popularizing it to the rest of the world. Elvis popularized it across races, Michael popularized it across clutures and genres.

I love both of them as performers and think of them both equally in terms of world appeal. Revolutionary? I think they were similar for different reasons.

 

Clapton is a total fraud also, he just copied Robert Johnson.

For those with broken sarcasm meter, this is my way of saying this debate is dumb.

 

Elvis did one thing that a lot of other were doing and showed it to a world largely ignorant. Still a whole commnity had seen his entire style before. Elvis didn't particularly add or combine anything into it. I said it was a matter of perspective. My grandparents would tell you that there was nothing revolutionary about Elvis's dancing. Many older white people would tell you that there was. It depends on where you come from and what you were exposed to.

Perspective isn't an issue for Mike, however, as he combined a multitude of styles and disciplines into a package unlinke anything else seen before. Unlike Elvis, at some point all of his fans were exposed to a dance move that, although it may have been done before at some point (like ALL dance moves), they had never seen. Just look at all the styles you mentioned, not to mention the obvious influences of Astaire, James Brown, and Jackie Wilson. He incorporated all of that made it his and he damn sure made it work. That is revolutionary.

 

For the record, you're right. Really, both MJ and Elvis styles were revolutionary to someone. I guess my point is that Mike was just revolutionary to more people because he combined different styles instead of taking just one.

I see these kids trying to pay homage to his style today, JT, Chris Brown, Usher... and althought they are all very talented, it still just doesn't even compare. He was amazing.

 

i understand what your saying. but i think your pretty much wrong.

im white but have some asian friends and black friends that i have seen with madonna cds over the years. you dont think the million of shows that madonna did all over the world was just white females? no i think not.

like i said i get what your saying though. where i work yesterday i was in the breakroom right after it happened and a couple of guys i work with that are black were back there talking about MJ. what they said and did would not have happened if it were madonna.

black people tend to though i think listen to less music outside the base hiphop r & b jazz then some other people and to listen to less music by other races. and i also think its pretty obvious that men listen to less music by women then the other way around.

as i said though i think the only other pop star that would get as much worldwide coverage would be madonna. just my opinion.

 

from the looks of the rest of your statement you are helping describe his very point and you are contradicting yourself.

this statement stands, period.

no one else compares.

 

Yep. That's why I said it depends on where you live and who you associate with. My friends aren't all that into Madonna outside of the girls, and then it's only the American/European ones (both black and white). Mike just seems more universal amongst all of us.

See, personally I can't really gauge Madonna mostly because of the guy/girl factor. For instance, in addition to all the music/news stations, they were talking and reminiscing about Mike alot all day on sports radio. Not sure if that happens as much with Madonna (and I think they would get equal time on female skewing shows like "The View" and Oprah).

Tell you what, I don't want to find out anytime soon though. I hope she lives a long and healthy life with her family.

 

Presley's and Beatles' influence were mostly in US and UK.
MJ and Madonna reached the top of worldwide popularity.
But it is not a fair game. The media age and MTV helped
them a lot. In fact, Britney Spears also enjoyed worldwide popularity a few years ago.

MJ's dancing is probably more influential than his songs.

 

I think his overall approach to music.. dedication to music, passion for music, making music, performing music, expressing music as a whole.. was what was most unfluential..