Breaking News: Hamas Leader Killed in Israeli Air Strike

Actually the opposite is true. We often see stories and live news coverage of the suicide bombings. However, the number innocent Palestinian civilians killed by Israel far outnumbers the amount of Israeli civilians killed by Palestinians, even including the settlers as innocent Israeli civilians.

I'm not talking about Hamas leaders like this guy. There have been the occasional story, but mostly we here about suicide bombings. We rarely see footage or stories about the Palestinian civilians that are innocent and killed.

 

actually its not...i remember seeing live footage of a lil palestinian boy being in the middle of a crossfire between terrorists and israeli soldiers....o why was the boy there? the boys father brought him there to not be detected...

 

Like I said, it does get coverage from time to time, but not everytime it happens. Every single time there is a suicide bombing there is coverage of it.

 

Or maybe he'll contradict one of your salient claims with hard facts and you won't respond again.

 

as it should be.....everytime an arab decides to blow himself up to kill civilians it should be covered. the terrorists only kill civilians, israel goes after the terrorists and civilians are killed not on purpose thats the difference. and when someone said israel bulldozes houses thats because it was where the suicide bomber was and then sadaam and osama send 10,000 to their families how nice..

 

Or maybe he'll contradict one of your salient claims with hard facts and you won't respond again.

lol, Cohen Cohen, Cohen, you wish!!

At first I decided to be a nice guy and not reply, but then I feared it might be seen as proof of failure to respond to a salient rebuttal.

 

Ok glynch ... let's see how long it takes.

 

I will agree that the suicide bombings should be covered and terrorism should be condemned and faught against. But a Palestinian's life is every bit as precious as an Israelis. Anytime a civilian is killed the story should be covered.

The Bulldozed houses often are unrelated to suicide bombers by the way. There is a standing military edict to destroy any business by Palestinians that can compete economically with similar business from Israelis. Homes are bulldozed to clear space that aren't associated with suicide bombers at all.

As for the money to the families, they are also sent to the families of the innocent Palestinians that are killed by Israelis. This happened with far more frequency than suicide bombers were killed and their families were rewarded. I'm not saying that makes it ok, just that it's the whole truth. You may also want to double check the stuff about Osama and Saddam.

 

Who defines a terrorist. Sharon? just because he labels say a few fighters to be terrorists it justifies the killing of not just him, but also say 20 other in his near presence?

Saddam and Osama are terrible people, terrorists no doubt, but the fact that they give any money to ANY ONE HURT in the palestinian side doesnt make the people dying terrorsts. ****, Waleed Bin Talal gives money towards the palestinian cause out his buttocks... Never see publicity on that, Even though he is a pro American Saudi... Its just publicity man, read some unbiased news now and then. or better yet, since there rarely ever is unbiased news, read the biased views of both sides with an open mind....

Terrorists kill civilians because they can not get to the military... It is wrong, but There is no way in hell a missle in the city to kill one person is justified. When in fact the missle kills a good dozen people.

 

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dont need to double check the stuff about sadam at all....osama i dont know about for sure

 

terrorists a bit harsh of a word to generalize the Palestinians...

I remember seeing a video of a palestinian civilian being beat down one fine day by an Israeli soldier... No legit reason... O why did they beat him, because he was Muslim.... Of course it wont get the same media coverage.

Where is it that you get your info from man... FOX?
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You are denying the fact that precious little ones are killed, even when they are not brought into the battle field. AND NOT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE TERRORISTS, NOT EVEN A MAJORITY...
You stated one incident, when there are 10 times as many when there was no reason at alll for the childs life to be cut short(other than gods will that is).

 

Another one bites the dust

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Posted: March 23, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


Prepare for the gnashing of teeth over the death of Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, targeted in an Israeli rocket attack yesterday.

Weak-kneed Europeans will condemn Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Misinformed Americans will see it as a provocative action by the Jewish state. And the Arab world will threaten fire-and-brimstone retaliation.

My reaction?

What took so long?

Can I hear the Hallelujah chorus, please?

This is the way terrorism must be fought. It needs to be decapitated. It needs to be discouraged with overwhelming force. It needs to be met with greater terror.

I know this is not politically correct. I know we're all supposed to give lip service to the "peace process." I know it is not considered kosher to encourage Israel to take out its terrorist enemies the way the U.S. takes out its own.

I don't care.

Three cheers for the death of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

Who was Yassin?

He was a terrorist clothed in the garb of a holy man. He repeatedly said the land of Israel is "consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day." Well, Judgment is here – at least for Yassin.

"The so-called peace path is not peace and it is not a substitute for jihad and resistance," said Yassin. It makes you wonder why his followers are so upset. Yassin got just what he said he wanted – martyrdom. That's what he had sent countless boys, young men and even girls to carry out in suicide attacks on Jews.

Yassin didn't have the blood of Jews alone on his hands. He also ordered the murder of Arabs who he believed had collaborated with Israel in any way. Sometimes all Arabs needed to do to be named as collaborators was practice the Christian faith.

So, good riddance to Yassin.

May Yasser Arafat's day be near.

May the head of the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade be next.

May Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah meet his maker sooner rather than later.

I know I will be roundly condemned by the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the self-proclaimed Arab-American leaders for this position. I don't care.

I say this proudly as an American of Arab ancestry.

America is at war. It's not a war with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida terrorist network alone. We are engulfed in a full-scale, global war with Islamist, jihadist terrorism – and all these groups are allied against America, against Christians around the world and against Jews in and outside of Israel.

It's just that simple, and someone needs to say it.

No, I do not say that this war is a global conflict between all Muslims and the West. Clearly, it is not that simple – nor that dire.

In Iraq and Afghanistan, we are battling the terrorists side-by-side with Muslims who want to live in freedom.

And, ultimately, that's what this struggle is about – freedom vs. Islamo-fascism.

Some try to stay on the sidelines – like the new leadership in Spain and the old leadership in France. There are no sidelines in this war. There is no neutral ground.

Like Winston Churchill told Neville Chamberlain after the latter met with Adolph Hitler in an effort to make peace: "You had a choice between war and dishonor and you chose dishonor. And you shall have war."

That's our choice today: War, dishonor or surrender to Islamo-tyranny.

Three cheers for Israel's bold move in the assassination of this bloodthirsty murderer. May it be just the beginning of a brand new "peace process."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37696

 

never said all muslims are terrorists....i know israelis arent perfect but they at least make an effort for peace. I am obviously biased but know how each side tries to reach a resloution and the israelis do almost everything in their power to stop the violence but the palestenians have no control. there is no way the violence will stop in my opinion and its sad it really is...im so thankful i was able to visit israel 4 years ago and was never threatend or blown up. i just hope one day i can go back and there will still be an israel state

 

I thought that you were saying the two were working together, when you said that Osama and Saddam send the money to their families.

 

i would so much like to visit jerusalem one day...to retrace the steps of Christ...but there's no way in the world i'd go right now. i hope that changes.

 

You went to Israel, and were in the Israeli peoples shoes... step into the Palestinian mindset and see what goes on.. They do want peace, they want education for the children, be able to shop, and the military checkpoints stop them from doing many of these on daily baisis. Even the MTV thing showed the Palestinian side pretty well... I dont see how you can say palestinians dont want peace, Hell yes they do, but they also want their land back... Dont tell me you wouldnt do the same say if your house was taken away and your mother killed in the "fireworks" that followed.

 

actually did see the palestenians side and agree partially with you. i know there are a good amount of palestenians trying for peace, and they arent acknowledged enough. The whole land issue is a tough subject because I know some land does belong to palestenians, but Israel has given back lots of land and the palestenians IMO want more then their fair share. I do not see how israel can give land at any point in future when there is no peaceful resolution in site...i hope im wrong

 

Right, but in their opinion it is their Land, and in the Israelis mind its theirs... so this is a dead end issue. The issue is now about YOU killed my forefather, so I will kill you, not just on the Palestinian side, but also the ISraeli.

I dont blame Israel for not giving up land with no end in sight, but when the solution is O so close to being done, Israel should be the better person(because it has an established government and a military) and give up that little more to put a John Hancock on the peace contract, which will be more valuable than any piece of land ever is.

 

i understand and agree with you here, but dont see that little signature making a difference,honestly. I do not see how every single palestenian will ever be 100% satisified and a sucicide bomber will emerge from somewhere else and the process will start all over again

 

Since you are expecting a reply.

<a HREF="http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=60408">Arab population rose to 289m last year (08-13-2002)</a>

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The total Arab population rose to 289 million last year, which was one of the fastest growth rates in the world, according to latest figures.

Last year the combined Arab population grew by nearly 10 million people.

This was disclosed in the joint Arab economic report for 2002, prepared by the Abu Dhabi-based Arab Monetary Fund, the Arab League, and the Arab Fund for Economic and Social Development in Kuwait.

Excerpts of the report, published in Al Bayan Arabic language daily yesterday, showed the population of the Arab League's 22 nations grew by nearly 3.5 per cent in 2001 over the previous year, when the region had nearly 279 million people.

"Growth in the Arab population is the highest in the world with the exception of Western Sahara in Africa. Demographic indicators show that Arab countries suffer from a slowdown in measures to cut fertility rates coupled with an improvement in life expectancy," it said.

"The demographic structure reveals that the age group 15-65 years is the largest in the population and ranges between 50 and 73 per cent in the Arab countries. This has very important implications because it is the most qualified group for economic activity."

The report gave no breakdown for 2001 but according to 2000 estimates, Egypt remained the most populous Arab country, with a population of 63.3 million.

Sudan was second with around 31 million at the end of 2000, followed by Algeria with around 30.7 million and Morocco with nearly 28.7 million. Bahrain, Qatar and Djibouti had the smallest populations of around 689,000, 562,000 and 680,000, respectively.

The rapid population growth has been blamed for the aggravating unemployment and illiteracy in most of the Arab countries as it is far outpacing economic growth.

Unemployment is generally estimated at 19 per cent in the Arab region while the latest Arab League figures showed the combined illiteracy rate at 38.8 per cent at the end of 2001.

"The population is growing fast and the work force is growing even faster. This has blocked efforts to tackle the unemployment has even widened among the educated groups and newcomers to the labour market," the report said.

The slow economic performance has also depressed the per capita income in most Arab countries in real terms and experts expect unemployment to deteriorate in the short-term because of privatisation programmes which involve massive layoffs.

Economic data showed the combined Arab per capita income increased in current prices from around $1,800 in 1985 to $2,455 in 2001 as the gross domestic product surged from nearly $350 billion to $712 billion in the same period.

But experts believe that per capita income last year was less than one third of its 1985 level in 1970 prices.
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With this being a number from a few years ago, the Arab population should be currently over 300 million.

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A more detailed report on the state of the Arab world is here:
<a HREF="http://www.weforum.org/pdf/Global_Competitiveness_Reports/Reports/AWCR_2002_2003/Arab_Population.pdf">The Arab Population</a>
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A few minor points about the Arab population question.

In Iraq, it appears that they counted the entire population as <i>Arab</i> in the census, yet the Iraqis that consider themselves <i>Kurds</i> or <i>Turkomen</i> would probably want to be counted as such and not as <i>Arab</i>.

In Syria, it appears that they counted the entire population as <i>Arab</i>, but there are some Syrians who are <i>Kurds</i> or <i>Armenian</i>.

An interesting issue is relevant with countries such as Somalia & Sudan.
<a HREF="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/so.html#People">CIA World Factbook: Somalia</a> shows the population to be mainly <i>Somali</i> with <i>Arabs</i> being a small part of the population.

<a HREF="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/su.html#People">CIA World Factbook: Sudan</a> shows the majority of the population to be <i>Black</i> with <i>Arabs</i> being 39% of the population.

If one subtracts Kurds, Turkoman, Armenians, Sudanese and Somalis from the Arab population of roughly 300 million, it will probably be in the area of 245 - 240 million.

So roughly 300 million on the high side and 240 million on the low side depending on how one classifies the population in some countries.

1) There is a <i>slow</i> realization by the Israelis that the population growth in the Arab world will put them in a poor position in the future. The extreme rightwing and settler groups seem oblivious to that fact, but the matter is slowly dawning on some in the <i>Likud</i> party.

2) The <i>Likud</i> party is definitely to the right in Israeli politics, but there are other parties such as: <i>National Religious</i>, <i>National Union</i> (coalition) that take a harder line on the Palestinian issue, so the overall <i>Likud</i> party isn't as extreme as you think. A few Likud leaders could probably be reclassified as extreme and belong some of the hard right parties, but that becomes another classification issue.
A nice, short read on that is here:
<a HREF="http://info.jpost.com/C002/Supplements/Elections2003/pp_right.html">The Right</a>


3) In regards to your statement: <i>If only they can get past the mind set that any hesitation to fire missiles or invade is weakness and appeasement</i>.

Sharon had come out with a recent announcement to vacate the Gaza Strip <i>sometime</i> and there was a rumbling & grumbling that it would be perceived as a <i>retreat</i> from the Palestinians.

<a HREF="http://csmonitor.com/2004/0323/p01s04-wome.html">Killing of Yassin a turning point</a>
<i>....Some Israeli strategists apparently hoped that, at the very least, it would be severely weakened. As Prime Minister Ariel Sharon continues to float his "disengagement plan," which would entail a unilateral Israeli withdrawal from most of the Gaza Strip - including the 17 Jewish settlements there - and some of the West Bank, the Israeli military has grown concerned with the threat of Hamas capitalizing on the moment of retreat to declare a victory. The worry that Hamas would "win" in the withdrawal from Gaza - similar to the way Hizbullah scored a self-declared victory when Israel withdrew from South Lebanon in the spring of 2000 - has unleashed an Israeli military drive to truncate the power of Hamas.
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"There was a sense in the government that a strong blow had to be struck because Palestinian militants viewed the declarations of a readiness to withdraw as weakness," says Joseph Alpher, former director of the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies. "The feeling was that they need to be sent a message."
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Mr. Alpher adds that the assassination will help Sharon silence the criticisms of those opposed to the withdrawal and dismantling of settlements. "It will make him popular with the Likud rank and file and help him get approval for the disengagement plan. And he knows the Americans will not object to this."

Professor Jarbawi adds that the assassination "is only the start, not the end of the process of targeting all leaders of Hamas."

"This is part of Israel's disengagement plan. They want to leave Gaza and not leave a strong Hamas behind," Jarbawi says. But he stressed the assassination will weaken the Palestinian Authority. "It is also suffering from what happened Tuesday. In the perception of Palestinians in the street the authority is impotent, it cannot secure Palestinians. People are assassinated and killed and the authority has no reaction but to condemn this.".....</i>
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There is a report out that Rantisi is the new leader of Hamas, so moderation in its militancy & activity against Israel is unlikely.

<a HREF="http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1502517,00.html">Hamas elects Rantissi leader</a>

<i>....Rantisi has rejected even a temporary truce with Israel and any compromise with Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority. His aggressive style is particularly popular with younger Hamas activists.......
Hamas, founded by Yassin in 1987, wants to destroy Israel and replace it with an Islamic state. Israel says Hamas killed 377 Israelis in hundreds of attacks, including 52 suicide bombings, over the years.</i>
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4) Politically, Sharon is in a weak position. He leads a coalition government with some rightwing parties and a few others. The rightwing parties threaten to leave the govenment if Sharon actually take steps to implement the Gaza plan of withdrawal.

Sharon and his sons are under investigation for several scandals and political leaders seem to be hedging their bets with that in mind. They are not allying themselves to closely with Sharon & his Gaza plan in case he really begins to falter.

5) The U.S. has been hesitant to endorse Sharon's plan because:

* It is considered to be muddled and fuzzy.

* Sharon didn't give an advance copy of the plan to the U.S. before announcing it, thus they were unable to give input & feedback so Sharon could clean it up.

* It is based on zero to very limited discussions with the Palestinians in regard to the plan. A disengagement from a dialog with the Palestinians is not a reinforcement of the <i>RoadMap</i> of the U.S. , E.U., Russia, U.N.

* Sharon wanted to be able to transfer people from Gaza to settlements in the West Bank. The U.S. isn't interested in signing off on that idea.

* Uncertainty that Sharon will have the political strength to accomplish the implementation of the withdrawal.