So according to your logic when Trump was leaving the White House, he either himself or told someone packing up this stuff…”hey over there are these folders for top secret classified documents… I want you take JUST THE FOLDER for those documents but leave the documents here for the national archives, etc.” Is that really the bone headed logic you think anyone here will buy?? And you know that every document in those folders is recorded by the intelligence community officials in charge of them. It’s not like it’s never going to come out that yeah… there documents in those folders and they are still missing and likely later found at another Trump property. We know that’s coming and you’ll again be proven to be disingenuous and you’ll say ohh that’s not what I meant blah blah.
You put MAGA above following the laws of this nation. If you think stealing top secret classified documents related to national security is a way to help the nation by enacting different policies than Democrats, it simply is part of the problem. If you believe trying to overturn a free and fair election in order for Trump to stay in power is in anyway a good thing or okay, you are placing Trump over the Nation.
Remember all the times we get scolded around here anytime Hitlers name is invoked in the framing of historical references of events?? Now not only is okay to invoke Hitler .. it’s also okay to just throw out the accusation without evidence that someone is a Pedophile.. simply because they are more liberal than you are. The MAGA cult more than anything is a bunch of entitled brats who think they have a different set of rules whether it be actual laws or just societal norms.
The empty folders may or may not be anything. They might mean documents are missing. But I heard an anti-Trump former Intel connected person say that those folders could get used for other things as well. Unlike the 47 point cover sheets, which only go with the associated documents. The folders are basically just manilla folders that could be repurposed. We don't know at this point. What we do know is that Trump wasn't entitled to any documents.
I'm afraid also that many conservatives don't actually know why Hitler was bad. They were just told he was bad and something to do with socialism. Many conservatives are deathly afraid of having in depth nuanced conversation about 1920s Germany and the rhetoric that led up to the Nazi party rising to power because they are afraid they might see some.of themselves in that conversation. This is why they have spammed throughout media the past 50 years the concept of "Godwin's law" and gaslighting people for referencing Hitler in appropriate times. When they call Biden Hitler, some of that has to do with them just making fun of what they perceived as liberals and leftists invoking Hitler with what they perceived as bad analogies to modern right wing leaders. They believe comparing a political leader to Hitler is overused so therefore they will do it for Biden to spend a message that they can do the same. But that perception all stems from their refusal to actual examine the rhetoric of Nazis during 1920s Germany and how eerily similar it is to modern American conservatism.
you keep saying empty envelopes they were empty folders, 48 of them with the "classified" banners and 28 with the "return to staff secretary/military aide" banners seems the best case scenario (relatively, and for the US) is the papers in those folders were 'shuffled' into the other piles of documents that have been retrieved by gov worst case scenarios - use your imagination
One of the more uncanny similarities also was the fake narrative by the right about their free speech being violated. Nazis during the Weimar Republic did the exact same tactic spamming political posters with Hitler being muzzled and claims about the Weimar Republic supressing the speech of Nazis. Honestly there are so many uncanny similarities between 1920s Nazis and the MAGA movement in the US. The main difference I would say is that the Nazi movement was filled with people who have literally experienced the worst humanity had to offer(trench warfare) so there were far less LARPers and far more genuinely mentally damaged hardened soldiers who have seen horrible ****. That made them more competent in things like street violence against anti-fascists and communists during that time. The other significant difference is the strength and history of US democratic institutions vs Germany's at the time. It would be significantly more difficult for Hitler to do what he did in the US due to our more enduring checks and balance system.
Not sure the point of you coming into a thread if you believe it’s all bullshit. Are you just bored? If you believe this issue is the equivalent of 1 mph over speed limit then just move the **** on lol.
To be factually correct too, Hitler himself attributed his inspiration partly to the American KKK movement. Of course he was also heavily inspired by Mussolini but it’s interesting and scary to see it all come first circle. And the most important historical semblance to consider is that America has and will always be the tool for the world for the greatest good and also the most horrible evils. Of course we could fall into oblivion like the Romans or the Mayans in the future but right now at this point in our history for the past 200 years and at least into the next 20, America’s part itself or the ideology of what America is or isn’t will shape the world for better or worse.
Trump couldn't have said it better himself. I agree completely. But, I guess he meant this applies to everyone but himself. Uh huh. Donald Trump has repeatedly called for lengthy jail sentences for those who he claimed mishandled classified information - CNNPolitics
I agree that they think the Left invokes fascism Too much but I this case calling Biden Hitler I doubt they’ve thought about it much. It’s just another blanket insult based on criticism of the backdrop for his speech.
He still leads chants of “Lock Her Up” for Hillary Clinton having classified data on private email server. He called for Snowden and Assange to be executed over revealing classified information. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trump-documents-crime-execution-b2157910.html
Best case scenario is no one else saw or obtained this information. That would still make this a crime as just holding documents relating to national security and / or classified information unsecured and also when you’re not entitled to have it is a crime.
best case scenario seems to me that on Inauguration Day when the movers came in to pack up Trump's office and move Biden in, they grabbed everything in the Oval Office and tossed it into boxes. Seeing envelopes marked "Secret" and "Top Secret" and "Dirty Double Dog Dare You Secret," the moves probably realized they shouldn't peak inside the envelopes to see if they were full or needed to be recycled. Erring on the side of national security caution, the movers just dumped whatever they found into boxes and likely figured to themselves, "that's Trump's problem." Months and years later the shitte is still packed up in the boxes and Clutchfans are now arguing over what the whole thing signifies. I'm glad folks here are so sure that finally we got the b*stard™, but I guess after the last 6-7 years of TDS I'm more inclined to wait for the movie. Your mileage may vary.
I hope that's not the case. I hope it's the worst case scenario so he can get out of our political discourse and just be in prison. Unfortunately the stench of fascism isn't just magically removed because Trump is in prison. We still have to deal with the folks who still vigorously defend him and his rhetoric and still believe the election was stolen.
U really need to follow the full timeline of this whole national security document saga b4 typing. Idk which story is stupider that came from you. Also there is a distinction between top secret marked folders and Christmas card envelops. U keep asking for update and don't even bother to use the terms correctly. Story 1: Trump hoard classified Christmas card and is getting targeted by fbi unfairly. The FBI found a hoard classified documents of varying degree of classification at his place. The thought that they could all be something as stupid as Christmas is bat sht insane. Downplaying that it's just trump hoarding Christmas card and the poor handling of national security is the same as driving a mile over the speed limit is dumb as fk. Story 2 movers packed stuff in a haste and everybody forgot about the classified documents. This story is a bunch of horsesht, some top secret documents were found in trump desk = somebody/trump move the documents out of storage since they know of its existence
