Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I also think Biden is absolutely right to take a vey hands off approach towards the indictments. Him not even commenting on them helps to undercut the argument that he is personally going after Trump and using the DOJ. Most polling shows that independents do feel that Trump should be legally held accountable and they the
Indictments aren’t just political.

 

If trump is arrested all hell will break loose. This is difficult.

 

That’s pretty much how i feel too. But I do think Biden running on Trump trying to overturn Democracy to save himself isn’t that bad of an issue to run with and does animate the middle more than you might think.

Also folks have to know that Biden or any Dem will have lower poll numbers than a far right candidate because progressive voters are almost never going to approve of any Democrat… even though there’s almost no chance they’ll flip to Trump.

Biden has over 52% of the electorate on his side on principles. It’s just the matter of if they see enough self interest to get their butts off the couch and go vote, and there’s not a large enough percentage of them dumb enough to protest vote 3rd party ala 2000 and Nader.

 

https://thehill.com/opinion/4143063-feehery-5-ways-democrats-can-beat-trump/

Feehery: 5 ways Democrats can beat Trump
by John Feehery, opinion contributor
08/08/23 7:45 AM ET

It now looks inevitable that Donald Trump will be reelected to the White House, mostly because the Democrats have done a terrible job of running against him.

I would prefer Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) over Trump because he is more conservative. But in a match-up against President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, California Gov. Gavin Newsom or just about any other Democrat, I would vote for Trump.

Dysfunctional capitalists are better than fully functional socialists. That being said, let me give my Democratic friends five ways to beat Trump.

1) Beat him in the primary, not the general: The poll numbers don’t look good for Trump’s challengers, but things can change quickly. There seems to be a secret Democratic strategy to get Trump nominated and then beat him with whomever the Democrats nominate.

That is not only hugely risky, because most of the latest polls have Trump either defeating or tied with Joe Biden, but it is also stupid. If you want to beat Trump, it is best to beat him with Republican voters. And that means that the Democrats and their media allies have got to stop running a campaign to defeat DeSantis. The Democrats and much of the media have a two-pronged strategy to beat the Florida governor. Lie about his record by calling him a racist/homophobe/anti-Semite, or ignore him. Instead, if they want to beat Trump in the primary, they should be honest about Desantis’s performance in Florida, and they should give him adequate media coverage.

2) Stop the persecuting prosecutions: Democrats believe Republican voters are going to turn against Trump because they will tire of all his legal mishaps. Instead, with each new indictment, the former president’s approval ratings go up. The reason is simple: All these indictments are seen as clearly part of a partisan witch hunt meant to stop the voters from exercising their constitutional right to vote for whomever they want in 2024.

Most Republican voters also believe that these indictments are neatly timed to stop the media from covering the latest revelation about the Bidens. As Trump noted, one more indictment and he will have this election sewn up.

3) Praise Trump from the left: It might not be ethical to play in the opposite primary campaigns, but that hasn’t stopped the Democrats before. They should buy commercials praising Trump’s accomplishments, especially on issues that make many Republicans very unhappy. For example, Trump signed the First Step Act, which made it easier for convicted criminals to get out of prison. Sure, this might have been a compassionate and good policy, but many conservatives now hate it and have made the connection between that legislation and increased crime in the country.

Trump’s administration was probably also the most gay-friendly Republican administration in history. That drives some conservatives crazy. Also, from the left’s perspective, the vaccines were the greatest invention since sliced bread, but they wouldn’t have happened without Trump’s Operation Warp Speed. Democrats should remind Trump voters of his continued support of this highly dubious medical intervention.

4) Attack Trump from the right: Many conservatives strongly disliked Trump’s performance during COVID-19. He never fired Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Until Scott Atlas came into the White House, nobody in the whole place started questioning the narratives put forward by Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

But Trump’s failures go beyond his COVID response. He did nothing to rein in entitlement spending. He failed when it came to repealing and replacing ObamaCare. Trump wasn’t much of a conservative. Democrats should point that out.

5) Stop talking about Jan. 6: Nobody cares, outside a few reporters and Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.). If you want to beat Trump, talk about his record.

Feehery, a partner at EFB Advocacy, blogs at thefeeherytheory.com. He served as spokesman to former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), as communications director to former House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Texas) and as a speechwriter to former House Minority Leader Bob Michel (R-Ill.).
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At some point you have to worry less about "well, if you remand/arrest/sanction trump it makes him more popular with his base" and worry more about whether we are a country of laws and what happens next time if you continue to allow trump to violate every political, social and legal boundary. Not just what that would allow trump to do later, but any maga coming up. Things worked in 1974, partly be cause both parties recognized the danger and acted, and partly because nixon also saw the personal danger and resigned. Unfortunately, the republican party today is very different than the party in 1974. And more unfortunate, trump isn't even as ethically and morally driven as nixon.

Imagine how this period of time will be viewed by historians in fifty years...

 

Bahahahaha

OMG what a transparent attempt to gaslight.

A. "The Democrats" and Joe Biden are not just randomly choosing to indict Trump. Jack Smith does not answer to Joe Biden. The premise here is stupid, and treats readers like they are idiots.

B. Democrats are not elevating Trump. Idiot primary voters on the right who are polled and the media are elevating Trump. Every time Trump posts on social media that he's about to be in legal trouble... REPUBLICAN VOTERS when polled poll at a higher rate for Trump and REPUBLICAN donors give him their money. That has nothing to do with me or other Democratic voters or the Democratic party. That's a REPUBLICAN conundrum.

C. Democrats should "Praise Trump"... but at the same time you are saying that its the Democrats fault for elevating Trump???...

....

Trump is a REPUBLICAN problem. The Democratic party and liberal voters have their own problems to contend with. He's not our problem. He's yours.

And again... stop Gaslighting and start treating people here with respect, and maybe we won't have to respond to you like the right wing troll you are.

 

Everything Trump says is stupid. He NEVER admits he is wrong. Fact! Nothing he does is for YOU, Americans. He didn't take a bunch of classified documents to Mar-a-Lago for YOU. He didn't spread propaganda and lies about the election for YOU. He didn't lie about losing the election for YOU. He didn't pardon his white collar criminal friends and associates for YOU. He didn't lie about raping a woman for YOU. He doesn't want to rip apart the DOJ, FBI, and Electorate into Trump loyalists for YOU. He doesn't lie and fear monger for YOU. It's all about him. It always was, and always will be. We are witnessing the mind and actions of a sociopath/psychopath at work every day.

 

I call him a fascist troll at this point. He'll actually try to engage and explain why he isn't so it apparently triggers him.

But @Os Trigonum , understand when I call you fascist or a semi-fascist as old Joe would say, it isn't to trigger you, it's my sincere belief. The triggering is just a welcomed side effect.

 

oh, I get that

 

Glad we cleared that up. And thanks for taking it well. I understand the level of self awareness to reflect and see deep dark tendencies like fascist tendencies within is something that is difficult to handle and cope with.

 

Btw if all you did was just post some light poorly constructed Jonathan Turkey articles of the Trump administration and campaign, I wouldn't call you fascist adjacent.

It's the tag teaming with the likes of tinman and turning the d&d into a urban minority police blotter that gets you that distinction for me.

 

OS Trig- Did you know I recently wrote an op-ed for the Hill too?

Dobro: 5 ways Republicans can beat Joe Biden:

1. Allow Biden to get nomination

2. Stop investigating Biden with the House and with FoxNews, media etc.

3. Praise Biden from the Right

4. Get the progressive on the left to attack Biden from the left, making him pay attention to his base while also reminding the independents that he's not a socialist, and actually pretty moderate.

5. Stop talking about Hunter Biden. Hasn't the poor boy been through enough??

......

Makes sense right how this is a good strategy for REPUBLICANS!!!!

 

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/08/08/the-shared-delusions-of-republicans-and-democrats-n569697

The shared delusions of Republicans and Democrats
DAVID STROM
8:01 AM on August 08, 2023

Well, here goes. I plan to offend everybody, so I might as well dive in.

The other day I was reading yet another defense of Joe Biden, not long after reading a piece praising Donald Trump, and I wanted to scream. Everything I read made my head spin.

In principle I can understand why partisans of either politician might be inclined to support them, or even feel very loyal to them. I can understand this somewhat more for Trump than for Biden, not because I have any special admiration for Trump, but rather for the simple reason that Trump is still sentient while Biden appears to suffering from incipient dementia and failing health.

Trump inspires loyalty because he has the right enemies, and given how desperately many Republicans want to b**** slap (metaphorically) the elite who hate Trump so much, there is a natural tendency to rally around the guy. Add to that the additional fact that the Biden Administration is abusing its power and the passions get aroused.

Biden as a person doesn’t inspire much passion, but no president in decades has pushed through as much Leftist legislation as Biden, and he actually does (metaphorically) b**** slap the Republicans–to the point of working to put Trump in jail. Biden may not be lovable, but he is reliably Leftist and that apparently is enough. He makes Obama’s presidency look moderate.

All right, whatever. If your fondest desire is to express your political Id, I can see the attraction of both to their partisans.

But looking at the two politicians purely from the perspective of their basic humanity and decency, I recoil at how many people have decided to be blind to and insistently deny their manifest flaws as human beings and as Chief Executives of the United States.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but both are bad people. And not just bad people personally, but bad people in a way that makes America worse.

Biden is a profoundly stupid and venal man who has an unerring ability to make the wrong choices, say the wrong thing, and get America into trouble. He is perhaps the only person stupid enough to vote against the first Iraq war, which turned out as well as it could have, and then vote for the second Iraq war, which turned out as badly as it could have. His precipitate decision to exit Afghanistan with no plan was a disaster, and his subsequent insistence that it went well shows he learned nothing.

In fact, his whole political career shows he has always been incapable of learning, and that he doesn’t care. He is in it for the money and power.

As Barack Obama warned, never underestimate Joe’s ability to f*ck things up.

His venality has always been in the background, but over the past few years he has sacrificed the integrity of the justice system in order to cover up and justify his influence peddling scheme, and of course as a tool to go after his political enemies all the way from Trump to random parents at school board meetings. He funnels money into his family’s coffers and uses government powers to cover that up.

Yet despite all this being obviously true, his defenders keep on insisting that there is nothing to see here. Joe is an amazing president, a terrific father who loves his children so much that he showers with his daughter and sells out the country for his son, and is a genius at foreign policy. There is zero evidence (except all the obvious evidence) that he has done anything wrong, and Republicans are just jealous of his success.

WTF? Is there no depth of depravity you won’t defend and hold up for admiration?

Right-wingers have a similar problem with not just Trump but other anti-establishment figures like Andrew Tate. Both are execrable human beings, yet they are both treated by some as persecuted paragons of virtue. The Trump/Jesus memes make me want to puke.

I grant that Trump is being persecuted, and that we all should be outraged at how he and others in his orbit have been treated.

But that doesn’t mean that he is a good guy. It just means he is hated by the right people and they are abusing their power. Absolutely agreed. Trump didn’t try to overthrow the government, but his behavior since January 2021 has been disgusting. He should have pushed reform to prevent shenanigans, not grievance for political gain.

Trump is still a bad guy himself. Not bad in the way the Left portrays him. He isn’t a fascist bent on seizing power or anything so politically grand.

He is, instead, a narcissist with uncontrolled appetites, a mean streak a mile wide and a mile deep, and is willing to sacrifice his political allies in order to “win” at any cost.

While his enemies will sacrifice any norm and even break the law to get him, you have to admit he makes it easy. He attacks Republicans at least as harshly–and these days far more commonly–than he attacks Democrats. And he will tell lies about his fellow Republicans at the drop of a hat.

He treats people badly, can’t hire people worth a damn, will listen to terrible advice from people like Deborah Birx and Anthony Fauci, and praises Gavin Newsom, Charlie Crist, and Stacey Abrams.

Yet a large chunk of Republicans will defend him to the death and swallow his lies about Governors Kemp, DeSantis, and Glenn Youngkin without blinking. If these guys are RINOs and Lindsey Graham isn’t, what world are you living in? His campaign spent a week or two implying that DeSantis was a drag queen because he wore cowboy boots (high heels!).

The Trumpophiles have been annoying me forever, and did so even when I discovered that Trump was actually a pretty good president despite his flaws as a person. The unwavering support of even his worst behaviors reminded me of Clinton’s defenders who debased themselves on a daily basis.

The sudden embrace of Andrew Tate is utterly mystifying to me. Whether he is guilty as charged or not, he is an awful human being. If he didn’t defraud and rape women (I have no idea), he proudly declared his sexual abuse of them for profit. Anybody who would defend the things he regularly bragged of…I just don’t understand. He has made a fortune turning women into p*rn stars. How is this admirable?

So what if he is hated by all the “right” people? That doesn’t make him defensible. His who shtick is bragging about treating women like dirt. Can’t we all agree that this is, in fact, despicable behavior?

I am definitely not on team Tate.

Yet there he is on Tucker Carlson bloviating about manhood as if he is a good man. He is as sincere as Joe Biden is when he declares his policies are good for the economy, or Jennifer Granholm is when she assures us that our gas stoves are safe from government. These are lies and bad faith. Andrew Tate says a lot of things that are true about the decline of masculinity–and then embraces an equally perverse view of masculinity as exploiting the weak.

Yuck.

We shouldn’t judge people simply based upon who dislikes them. This is surrendering your moral autonomy to the people whom you should trust least in moral judgments. There are times when everybody should be able to agree, or at least when your judgment overlaps with that of your most hated political opponents.

Our allegiance should be to the good, the true, and the beautiful, even if and when that means we agree with people we dislike.

More and more partisans seem to have lost the ability to do that. We dislike the other “side” so much that we will sacrifice our values just to “own” them. We look for the good in those whom the other side hates.

We shouldn’t.
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More attempts by the trump side to not comply with the direct instructions from the Judge and to delay...

 

delay delay delay

 

Also worth noting that Trump seems to have purposefully stacked the same lawyers to represent him in all these cases and have them represent other conspirators as a strategy to jam up their theoretical schedule.

 

Well said.

It has always been my contention that, perhaps naively, it would be better for the country as a whole to put this wholly shameful and embarrassing episode of the Donald pretending to be something he actually isn't and never was, behind us as quickly and as quietly as possible.

But, as the Donald himself is making increasingly apparent (even for a knucklehead like myself), having the Donald go quietly into that good night is not going to be an option.

The Donald is behaving the way he's always behaved: like a bully who's used to getting his way.

And the best way to handle a bully is to put him into a fight.

And watch him fold like a cheap lawn chair.

Always worked for me.

The Donald may or may not care about the seriousness of the trouble he's wannabe-Kim-Jong-Un-ed his way into. But he's certainly going to approach it in his own hair-brained style.

It's up to the Justice Department to lay out the parameters of this fight. This isn't a political fight or some weird Kabuki-ish first amendment referendum. What the Donald has (alleged to have) done is too serious to continue to indulge his compunction towards lying and deflection and deceit. Or anybody else's, for that matter.

Bring him into court again. Make it as clear as you can to this orange cinder block that if he makes any kind of disparaging or threatening statement or remark towards anyone involved in this case (directly, indirectly or from within that fugue state he calls a mind)...

...and it's not anybody else's fault but his that so many people are either directly, indirectly or adjacently involved...

...his orange a$$ will be in violation of his release, and he'll wait for his trail date from within a jail cell.

And as soon as he makes another crank call or "social media" post on that money-laundering thing he calls a "website", or anywhere or anywhen else he wants to wipe his orange backside with this case...(and this next part is the serious part)...

...you lock his orange @$$ up and brace for the potential consequences.

The time for discretion and decorum has long since passed in dealing with not only the Donald, but this strain of "thought" that has somehow made "alternative facts" litigious.

This may indeed be a fight the majority of us don't want to have, but it's here now and there's no more running away from it.

Like my mom used to tell me:
"...do whatever you can, boy, 'cuz only a fool go out lookin' for a fight. But if it's gotta be a fight, then it don't matter as much who got hit first as long as you hit back enough to make sure you ain't got hit last..."

 

His defense... a movie by dinesh d'souza , whose wacko ideas include birtherism, Charlottesville was staged, called Obama " ghetto boy", mocked the Stoneman Douglass High School massacre victims. Also accused by his ex-wife of being a wife-beater Oh, and was convicted of making illegal campaign contributions.

The movie itself has been fact-checked and debunked extensively. Looking forward to both d'souza and his movie torn new ones in this trial.

 

Please, Please , Please use 2000 mules as "evidence"..............trump and team will talk a BIG game now and when they get to court, they will actually HAVE to tell the truth and their "Evidence" will look just like the court cases he lost after the election...........go out like a wimper because they are full of poo poo. 60+ of your gop friends are ready to help you prove how biggly you are going to win

 

Love that quote...

"The trouble he's wannabe-Kim-Juong-Un-ed his way into"

Cheers to you!