Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

So your argument is that they shouldn't be doing this in the first place but since they are they should be acting like the Executive? Wouldn't that be like saying that the Judiciary shouldn't be legislating from the bench but since they are they should act like the legislative branch?

It's been long established that Congress has oversight and investigative power. It's hard for them to actually legislate and be a check on the other branches unless they can get their own information.

 

Not exactly. I am saying if they are going to take on the roles of other branches, they should impose the same limitations and safeguards that apply to those other branches.

Not really, the executive can provide them with information. Judges have oversight power and are a check on the executive, but they don't conduct their own investigation in a criminal case. They preside over a trial and the parties present them with information.

 

Agent Smith is coming for Trump . . . .

 

So then the Judiciary could act like the Judiciary as long as it behaved the Judiciary.

And given that the legislative and executive are often at odds how then does the legislative just count on the executive? For that matter we know in that there have been cases where the executive has not been fully cooperative with the Judiciary. That was a major concern of the last Administration and is considered a very potential Constitutional crisis if the Executive doesnt' agree to work with the Judicial.

 

Yes?

The legislature has remedies for a rogue executive. It can withhold funding or it can file articles of impeachment. When the executive ignores the judiciary, the legislature is meant to check it (see above remedies). In practice, the judiciary have just cowered to the executive (see FDR). Ultimately, it is up to the populous to accept a broken government or to rise up against it.

 

lol, slave be slave

 

Seditious Kvetching: The Surprisingly Non-Trivial Defense in the Oath Keepers Prosecution

https://www.lawfareblog.com/seditio...-non-trivial-defense-oath-keepers-prosecution

excerpt:

If seditious rhetoric alone were sufficient to prove seditious conspiracy, the prosecution against Rhodes and four compadres now playing out in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., would be a slam dunk. For at least two months, all of these defendants engaged in or endorsed over-the-top, written and oral threats or promises to “oppose by force the authority” of the United States or to use “force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of {the} law{s} of the United States” governing the transfer of presidential power—the two clauses of the seditious conspiracy statute under which they have been indicted. Then, during the Jan. 6 insurrection, three of these defendants—along with about 17 other Oath Keepers indicted in related cases—ascended the east Capitol steps in “stack formation” (each with his or her hand on the shoulder of the cadre ahead) in two successive waves and penetrated the building where Congress, in joint session, was due to certify Biden’s election. The spectacle of these seemingly disciplined troops, kitted out in full battle rattle—camo uniforms, helmets, tactical vests, tactical goggles, tactical gloves, and, in some cases, anti-ballistic plates, bear spray, and paracord—became perhaps the most indelible emblem of the insurrection: a coordinated, militaristic assault on our democracy.

So what’s the defense?

In two words: No plan.

Despite having sifted through thousands of Signal, Facebook, and text messages extracted from dozens of seized phones; having been provided by an informant with a recording of one of their secret GoToMeetings (a videoconferencing app); having debriefed scores of witnesses, including seven Oath Keepers who pleaded guilty—and, amongst those, three who specifically pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy—the government never produced evidence of any Oath Keeper plan to breach the Capitol on Jan. 6 or, for that matter, any concrete plan of any kind laying out precisely how they would block Biden from taking power.
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more at the link

 

Guilty.

 

A jury has convicted Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes of masterminding a plot to violently subvert the transfer of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden, finding that he entered into a seditious conspiracy against the U.S. government.

The jury also convicted Rhodes ally Kelly Meggs, leader of the Florida Oath Keepers, of seditious conspiracy. But the jury acquitted three co-defendants — Jessica Watkins, Kenneth Harrelson and Thomas Caldwell — of joining Rhodes in that conspiracy. All five, however, were convicted on additional felony charges, including obstruction of Congress.

 

What is the sentence recommendation for a seditious conspiracy charge, can't imagine its a slap on the wrist.

 

aaaah, some good ol’ self-snitching at its finest…lay out your illegal plans, and once they backfire, already have the evidence signed sealed and delivered for the prosecution

 

enjoy your prison mystery meatloaf and twerking for commissary chips

 

edit - nvm

 

Kelly Meggs been doing a lot of crying in jail, and now he’s got 20 more years

https://www.givesendgo.com/meggs

some previous updates from him his family has posted

- Well this week brought new FAKE charges against us. In another attempt to cover the already fake narrative they have spread they put out new charges that could not be further from the truth . The good news is several media sources and prior prosecutors have seen through the smoke screen. please keep the truth out there and let people know we are not what they say we are it is a completely bogus story !Made up of chopped up texts taken completely out of context and lies.

We are not or ever have been against this great Country ! We love America even while we are wrongfully incarcerated for things we did not do. We would never do anything to hurt this country regardless of the party in the Oval Office , disapprove, Okay , but harm it or its great Citizens of any political party in any way NEVER !

A complete pack of lies !

please keep us in your prayers and thank you all for everything you have done to help me and my family

I thank God for you all , all of the time ! You are all a true blessing for writing us , donating to us , sending Christmas gifts to my grandchildren and telling our story the Truth!

Thank you all !

- I can't believe I am spending Christmas in this God forsaken DC Jail . In solitary confinement suffering for the 11th month for a crime I did not commit given no bail. My right to a speedy trial (70 days in federal court) waived for months on end.
On a night when I would normally be looking out across our little hometown square with trees adorned with lights and bows , horse drawn carriages and a candlelight church service. Our whole family goes to the best restaurant in town and sits on the patio to take in the sights , but tonight here alone I sit . Cold concrete and steel are my only companions , loneliness my dinner. Merry Christmas America

- The fact that I am still here after almost 11 months is absolutely disgusting ! I am supposed to be innocent until proven guilty ( in our case fully innocent and the prosecution knows it ) This week exposed more racially and political hate spewing tweets from the Warden here at the DC Goulag ! MTG has her tweets copied and on full display ! Pretrial detention is supposed to be as close to home confinement as possible , otherwise it is considered punishment !
3 straight days now of lock down in our 6x10 cells solitary confinement, no showers, one 10 minute call. The use of punishment instead of detention prior to trial is ,well documented , immediate release from custody. our attorneys need to all get this done asap! I have been denied access to my attorney upon request, I have had the law library disabled on my tablet , I have had personal mail removed from my cell by a lieutenant , and I have been held on solitary confinement as a pretrial detainee all further violating my civil and human rights ( this is just this week alone ) . I have not seen my wife,children or grandchildren in over 10 mths even on video! I have not had access to religious services, a hair cut or shave , and now day 3 no shower!
What country is this ?? This is a complete destruction of my rights as an American and I need everyone to call your congressman and demand our release !! Sorry for the negative update but this has been a week from hell! Please keep us in your prayers!

 

I love it when traitors get held accountable. It is well deserved. The only thing is that these guys are pretty far down towards the bottom of the totem pole.

The evidence had been very strong against these guys and the higher ups.

 

that’s actually the republicans new platform

 

I'm still waiting for Trump, Rudy, MTG, Trump JR, Boebert, Stone, and the rest of Trump's mob who hung out with and conspired with those Oath Keepers and Proud Boys to get charged.

 

That ain't happening. Texas turning blue is more likely to happen then the people u listed get charged/jailed

 

hang 'em all