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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RESINator, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    You know damn well his daughter and her husband were part of the coup. Hell, Ivanka was tied to Daddy"s hip. She knew. They all knew. Ivanka was Daddy's princess She wanted to keep her throne as much as he did. They all stood their smiling and watching on their TV screens when the insurrection started. I don't doubt for a second though that Ivanka will turn on Daddy if it helps her. She's a chip off the old block.
     
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    Ivanka Trump in testimony to the committee had already gone against what her father has said, that the election was stolen. That does contradict some other comments she’s made but in those comments she wasn’t giving deposition under oath.
     
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    Was it the capitol police that advocated seizing voting machines? Was it the capitol police that released individuals phone numbers and personal information to the public? Was it the capitol police that wanted to replace the AG with a person who'd never tried a criminal case because he was willing to send the election fraud cases forward even though they knew for a fact that it was false? Was it the capitol police that planned ahead of time where to breach the capitol building and station themselves in those spots ahead of time? Was it the capitol police who were told that the mob was going to kill Pence, and responded by saying Pence deserved it even though they knew there was no mass fraud?

    Definitely there were some capitol police that rolled over. There were many more that acted to save lives including the life of VP Pence.
     
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    Not that I’ve seen publicly but I haven’t seen or read every hearing.

    Not sure the relevance of your question is in regard to what I posted.
     
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    I would like to see the committee investigate the actions of the Capitol PD particularly reports that some LEO might’ve been aiding the rioters.
     
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    I am not sure how true it is that they are "poorer" but this view is part of the reason why they gravitate towards Trump
     
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    its just data. You can look it up.
     
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    Yeah I don't think it's true from what I recollect.
     
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    maybe I’m wrong but idgaf right now. Watching / shocked by the draft.
     
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    That so much of the opposition towards the committee has turned on things like the committee makeup shows how overwhelming the evidence the committee is putting forward.

    Further the statements in evidence aren't primarily coming from critics of Trump but from people who have supported him, campaigned for him, or were in his administration.

    Most surprising and refreshing is that the committee is mostly allowing the witnesses to speak and elaborate and not just using their questioning time to give their own speeches.
     
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    Agreed
    The committee has done an outstanding job in its presentation.

    Their focus and keeping things on track is very difficult in any circumstance. That is especially true when Trump himself says so many crazy untrue things, that it would be very easy to be distracted and go after those and lose focus.

    I think that's one of the things Democrats in the political realm haven't been able to do they always chase the next crazy thing Trump says and forget about the many that came before. This committee has a laser focus and is keeping things on track.
     
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    Yup. Keep jangling the keys and hope people will look away from trump, his minions and the Republican traitors. It’s not working for those who want information and to learn.

    the republicans can go and have a committee review the response by law enforcement. Go ahead.

    Somehow I seriously doubt that will ever happen because facts would probably be uncomfortable at best. I’d lay a lot of money that the same corrupt Republican traitors who conspired with trump were working over law enforcement to let folks in.

    But yeah, go ahead and investigate. It won’t happen. You guys don’t really want facts. You’d rather jangle the keys so that the idiot trumpers will remain distracted from the actual issues and truth. Just like with the big lie.
     
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    Strong possibility there.
     
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    The Capitol Riot Was Never Going To Succeed
    The intruders created plenty of mayhem, but it was a farcical coup attempt doomed from the start.

    https://reason.com/2022/06/24/the-capitol-riot-was-never-going-to-succeed/

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    . . . Sorry for the history lesson, but the House committee's proceedings into the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack by Donald Trump's supporters often draw historical parallels. It's indeed hard to wrap our heads around what happened, given our belief in the solidity of our nation's institutions. But this much is certain: The perpetrators were not serious people. It might have been an attempted coup—of the sort attempted by idiots.

    That's not to say our nation never faced any danger. The truth is so hard to bear that Trump's most-devoted acolytes still refuse to grapple with it, lest they must (perhaps) face their own complicity. I had never been a fan of U.S. Rep. Liz Cheney, (R–Wyo.), but she nailed it in her address to the committee, referencing a legal decision by Orange County federal Judge David O. Carter:

    "President Trump's efforts to pressure Vice President Pence to act illegally by refusing to count electoral votes likely violated two federal criminal statutes," Cheney said. "(I)f Dr. (John) Eastman and President Trump's plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power, undermining American democracy and the Constitution."

    A president refused to concede power after dozens of courts examined and rejected his fanciful election theories. His aides and GOP lawmakers were so terrified of him that they allowed him to push our democracy to the breaking point, something that left our republic rather brittle. Aides championed a blueprint that would have destroyed our democracy. No one seems the slightest bit sorry.
    more at the link
     
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    At least you acknowledge it was a coup attempt. Progress.

    Being inept at breaking the law is not an affirmative defense. A felony is still a felony, even if you are really bad at crime.
     
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