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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

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  1. Roc Paint

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    I don’t understand the rolling up of the shorts part
     
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    Jalen Green Only Fan™
     
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    They are trying to show their ass!

    DD
     
  4. Roc Paint

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    No thank you
     
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    arent the conservatives the ones always saying that if you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide?

    also, the fbi has been doing undercover stuff like this for decades and even has a history of setting up and funding potential terrorists in order to capture them. did yall have a problem with that too?

    also, its interesting that yall have seem to take more issue with fbi agents who are (badly) undercover in an attempt to catch insurrectionists than you do with the actual insurrectionists.
     
  7. Astrodome

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    The reporters outnumbered the attendees and agents. They should send some reporters down to del Rio, TX.
     
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    A serious silly scheme. Not exactly new news. Trump's lawyer-written plans confirmed what we thought. Trump wanted Pence to declare the election result is in dispute so Congress can ultimately declare him as the winner.

    READ: Trump lawyer's memo on six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election

    Memo shows Trump lawyer's six-step plan for Pence to overturn the election

    A conservative lawyer working with then-President Donald Trump's legal team tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6 when Congress counted the Electoral College votes by throwing out electors from seven states, according to the new book "Peril" from Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.

    The scheme put forward by controversial lawyer John Eastman was outlined in a two-page memo obtained by the authors for "Peril," and which was subsequently obtained by CNN. The memo, which has not previously been made public, provides new detail showing how Trump and his team tried to persuade Pence to subvert the Constitution and throw out the election results on January 6.

     
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    the tourists were sure scared of simething
     
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    I guess Pence is kind of the hero nobody wants. Lulz.
     
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    I dun git why Pence turned down #2 b**** for life. Sounds like cowardice to me.

    Hang Mike Pence for treason!
    Hang Mark Milley for treason!!
    Then burn it allll dooowwwwwn!!!!

    1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).
    2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors, and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.
    3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States, there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.
    4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote. President Trump is re-elected there as well.
    5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules (which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate of electors, if they had not already done so.
    6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.
     
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    It depends in what way they mean by worse. It is worse in the way that it was perpetrated by Americans. It is certainly a greater threat to our government stability. Terrorists were never going to be able to cause the kind of threat to our Democracy that Jan. 6th did.
     
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    terrorists caused the TSA and the Dept of Homeland Security, with all the security theater that that implies. I'd say terrorists did pretty well for themselves
     
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    not to mention the wars the U.S. fought in terrorism's wake. Terrorists 2, Jan 6ers 0
     
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    Shouldn't even be in the same conversation. Ridiculous.
     

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