Brand's agent says hes not to interested with the Clippers

Why do we discuss how SA can get FAs here on this Rockets board?

Personally I think a Elton Brand max deal would be a mistake contract waiting to happen. I hope SA spend their cap room on him rather than other big FAs.

 

aelliott,

regarding your calculations for Duncan's cap hit at 150% = $18m until he signs. I'm pretty sure than all cap hits max out at the player's real maximum. Your cap hit can never exceed your maximum, so the timing of signing Duncan should be irrelevant wrt SA's cap situation (assuming Duncan will command his maximum).

re: Brand...not meaning to discuss your SA scenario at all (as i agree SA has no SnT shot at Brand), but rather just Brand and his personal decision...imo, the Brand as an Olowakandi restricted free agent who doesn't want to sign an offer letter really only makes sense for Olowakandi. For Brand, he will be given a max 7yr offer sheet. That is really hard to turn down whether the Clippers match it or not.

I can see how Kandi would risk one yr to try for 10s of millions of $s more, but I don't see Brand risking a sure thing max contract (injury-wise) or risking his stock going down by playing another lame-duck yr in LA. I gotta think that his agent will work really hard to find a SnT somewhere, and failing that, Brand will sign a max offer sheet, and I gotta believe his agent will recommend it.

I see all this more as a showdown between the agent threatening a Kandi manuever (you get *nothing*), and the Clippers threatening to match any offer, thus forcing better SnT offers.

imo, what is boils down to is no legit max rookie scale player has ever become an unrestricted free agent yet, under the new CBA. It makes sense that the first would be a Clipper, but ... it takes a lot of soul-searching to risk another year without that guaranteed huge pay off.

Look at it this way: wasn't Kandi only being offered a 3yr less than minimum by the Clippers last year. Versus the 1yr 5th year deal that he signed, that is only a gamble of $14-16 million (??), versus trying to get a 7yr this year. For Brand, he'll be gambling upwards of $90m, by not signing a max with someone this summer.

 

Well if the Clippers are hoping to become a better team, then they shouldn't trade Brand in the Western Conference. But now that Brand doesn't want to play for the Clippers then there must be a reason for the team not being so bright after all.. Clippers management sure are dumb...

 

<i>Good analysis. But assuming the Clippers trade Brand to San Antonio now for a bunch of picks and Malik Rose, or involve a 3rd team. Regardless of the method, LA trade Brand to San Antonio before the deadline.

Now, in the offseason, San Antonio want to get Jason Kidd. Can't they re-sign Brand with bird rights (won't they have em?) and also sign n trade for Kidd and give up Parker in the deal?

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Sane, some problems with your scenario.

1) For the Clippers to trade Brand while he's still on his rookie contract, the deal has to get done in the next 4 days.

2) Currently, SA is over the cap so salary that they give up has to be within 15% of the salary that they receive.

3) Rose is in the first year of a new contract and he is a Base Year Compensation player. That means that Rose only counts 50% of his salary in a trade (that's the amount SA ships out), but he counts his full actual salary to the team that get's him. Since SA would be giving up $2.4M in salary, the salary that they can take back has to be within 15% + 100K. That won't work. From the Clippers end, they're a couple of million over the cap, so they have to do the same salary matching. They can take back less than they send out so it's ok. You can tweek the deal how you like, but in order to include Rose in a deal, you'll have to invlolve a team with around $2M in cap space. If you believe the cap figures on RealGM, there currently isn't any team in the league under the cap so that is impossible.

4) Draft picks count as zero salary in a trade.

5) Now explain to me why the Clippers would do that deal, even if it was legal? They get Rose, who's an overpaid bench player with alot of years left on a bad deal and a few low first round picks for Brand? They could go to a dozen other clubs and get a better deal than that tomorrow. If the Clippers trade Brand, they'll want either really good young players or lottery picks.


6) If SA can't trade for Brand within the next four days, then they'd have to get him through a sign and trade (in the offseason) and his new salary would be applicable. Of course, then when they trade for Brand he's eating up $10M in salary instead of the $4M or so, that he would be counting if they trade for him this season.

If you want to argue that the Spurs will pull off a deal for Brand before the trading deadline, then I'll disagree and we can wait a few days and see who's right. Otherwise, Brand will be a $10M player and they don't have the cap space to accquire him along with Kidd.

HP,

You're correct about the Cap hit having a ceiling of the max salary, but it doesn't make any difference in my calculations. Duncan's cap hit would max out at $12M, which is the same as he made last year and is the exact number that I used in my calculations. That just means that there is no real advantage to whether you first sign Duncan or a FA. Bottom line.

As far as Brand's intentions. I do believe that he'll take the tender offer if he can't force a trade. His agent has already said that this is his strategy. I also think that they believe that the Clippers will match any offer he gets. I also believe that he'll risk the one year deal in order to get out of Clipper land (of course he'll also buy a slew of insurance in case of injury). Sterling traded for these guys (Brand, Miller), knowing that their rookie deals were almost up (along with those of his own guys). He's got to be willing to give a max deal to somebody and I think that is most likely Brand. Odom is a Sterling favorite, but he's too much of a risk. Miller has played himself out of favor in LA. Brand is their best player by far and their most stable. I don't doubt that the Clips would give him a long term max deal.

 

Thanks aelliott. It's not a matter of whether or not Brand will leave anymore, it's just a matter of who will get him. Falk won't let Brand play in Clipper land for one more season and hurt his value, as HP said.

 

TD + Brand = West Dynasty.

 

Hehe. Nice analogy.

Seriously, I would trade Mobley in the blink of an eye. Eggie...damn, I would hate to part with the dude, but I'm blinded by it because he's such a fan fave...so young, so fearless, such tremendous defense when he gets it going.

But then I think of Elton...ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, he's Eggie X10!! Love to have him.

HERE IS THE KEY IF WE WANT TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THIS SEASON:

-Elton Brand - For interior defense, toughness, post prescence and immediate offense...he's relentless.

-Pure shooter - in a 1, 2, or 3 position, this is key. All those frustrating games when no one can hit the broad side of the barn, a pure shooter would be a tremendous lift. A guy to make sure we get things going. A guy who specializes in shooting. A guy...like Matt Bullard.

Naw, seriously, I'm talking like, Jon or Brent Barry, Wes Person, Terry, Wesley, etc.

 

I have a question. When is the deadline?

 

The trading deadline is Thursday.

 

As long as we are discussing the Clippers...

Does Miller still expect to get a max contract? I'm sure he will ask, just as Rashard Lewis did, but will he have a similar result?

 

little do you know.