Dude when University of Texas can make 75-100 million $'s off of Vince Young in one year and not give him any of it THAT's ridiculous. Jennings decided why make the school money for something he wont use right away and not get paid for it. The school isnt losing money giving him a scholarship they making loads off of his name. College and NBA setting boys up like that are the douche bags.
Playing well overseas can get the same (Andre Bargnani) and my fave (Yao Ming) They're talking about endorsements before he even goes to the league.
Set up? Have you ever been to college or paid for it? The lifestyle of a star college athlete BMOC is the nicest form of indentured servititude that can possibly be invented in the history of the universe. Jennings' big stand against the NCAA is simply sour grapes. Why? Because he would have been at Arizona were he actually able to fulfill the minimal requirements of being a not dumb human being - which apparently he can't be bothered to deal with. He can cry me a river about the "injustice" of it all - but it was a bargain he was more than willing to be a part of except for the fact that it required an incredibly minimal effort that he felt entitled not to have to expend. "They're" meaning his agent. And Bargnani? The guy could wallk down most city streets and not be recognized. Tell me the same about Durant and Oden.
Sure. He's allegedly a better prospect out of high school than Derrick Rose - his ceiling after a good college season would have been #1 overall. There is no way in hell he would get that now. None. I'll bet you anything on it. Is it likely he will fall to the second round? It's definitley possible now - it depends on a number of factors - whether or not he's good, what his european contract is like, where he plays, who else emerges in college - is it likely? Who knows. Is it more likely now? Yes.
The NCAA is weird. I somehwat agree. His not trying on the first test is not something I consider admirable. However, if he retests and does really well then I think it should stand. I don't see how it's different from anyone else trying to improve their score except he's a big time athlete. That doesn't say much for the SAT's faith in the security of their test.
Making him take the test a third time was pretty stupid. But oh well..it's history now. He needs to get guaranteed playing time in Europe..oh the irony if he signs with a team over there and is glued to the bench.
I just want to know why Sam Fisher is so opposed to a guy taraining in his future profession? I mean, if he fails, that's him. Its no different than kids going to college, graduate, and have 40k in loans and make 35k a year. I'd rather him go overseas and make 100k and try to perfect his craft. Believe me, nba teams will keep tabs and a scout on him charting his progress as a player. Its all about the 2nd contract anyway.
Beter prospect then Rose is debatable but similar. A great season at Arizona would have solidified his status but I don't think he would go #1 (although that's not super relevant). BJ Mullens and Demar Derozan are two one and done guys DeMar is also yet to qualify academically and Mullens is a big time center prospect). Blake Griffin also is definitely a high lottery pick unless he gets hurt or regresses. You've said he'll slip to the second round. I quoted that statement in my response. I don't know how hard he will work ,ect...so depending on what the parameters of the bet are is what will decide if I take it. Do you want to decide on an agreed pick in the first round or are you taking the second round? I agree that he is better off going to college but he isn't. The only thing I can tell consistantly from your posts is that you think he's stupid for not going to college, you think he's a douche, and that he will fall considerably in the draft because of this decision. That being said you've went from him falling to the second round to saying he won't be the #1 pick (which he never was going to be IMO). Rubio's considered a better prospect at his position
I think the underlying anger from SamFisher (and I could be wrong as I'm merely speculating) is that he thinks Jennings doesn't appreciate the opportunity to go to college. If I'm off, I apologize.
No it doesn't, but it especially doesn't BECAUSE you are talking about a big time athlete. If he were Joe Schmoe off the street and they found out he had cheated, then its much less likely to make the press than if "#1 Draft hopeful Brandon Jennings" is caught cheating. Look at it this way, if the kid did well the second time, without cheating, then why is it such a freaking big deal if he takes it again. Heck I took the SAT twice and the ACT 3 times voluntarily trying to get higher scores to compete for scholarships. Why shouldn't he take it just as many times to get his guaranteed scholarship? I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with everything that SamFisher has said in this thread. The kid is giving up a lot to be the "trailblazer" against the one and done rule. I understand if you don't like school where a year of college would be a drag. But if it was the difference between 3 million dollars and 300K, I would force myself to live through it. And he is also right about being a high profile athlete in a big time program. There are demands, yes, and yes, you are earning money for the school. But don't tell me that they aren't getting things from boosters on the sly. I don't care who the school is, they are finding a way to get those kids part of their share of the money.
In terms of $$$ - it IS super relevant. Who is better known now, has more $$$, and has better endorsement potential right out of college - Derrick Rose (1), Michael Beasley (2) or Russel Westbrook (4)? Kevin Durant and Greg Oden . . . or Horford and Conley? I don't know WHERE he will be selected - but by going to Europe he closed more doors than had he gone to AZ and prospered. I'd say before he was looking at 5-1. Now he should just hope to be top half - and second round is a definite possibility. There is a LONG time to go between now and next year's draft. OJ Mayo was considered top prospect last year at this time...hell Terrence Morris was considered a top 10 pick after his sophomore year.....etc.
Brandon's only other choice would have been to go JUCO. I don't think he'd even qualify for the NBDL would he?
You can be stupid in the classroom but great on the basketball court...... IQ is not as important as quickly recognizing and reacting to situations as they present themselves. DD
There's no evidence at all that he cheated. All they have is that he signifigantly improved his test score. Guilty until proven innocent?
You can't make the comparison yet. Rose , Beasley and Westbrook haven't even stepped foot on an NBA court. They haven't signed their shoe contracts yet nor had the opportunity to gain big endorsements. Beasley will probably stand to make more in endorsements then Rose if he doesn't flake out. Durant and Oden are light years ahead of Conley and Horford. Oden has been followed since middle school and we all know what KD did. Conley has nothing but an Adidas shoe contract (but a very small one). Westbrook's shoe deal will outweight Conley's. I'll even go one further and guess that OJ Mayo may get more in endorsements then Beasley, Rose and Oden. KD would be hard to top but we'll see. I'll take 20 and lower on Jennings for a sig bet if you would like. I've never argued that he shouldn't have went to Arizona. I'm just not crucifying him for it and am not passing judgement before I see how he develops. Beasley and Rose had already jumped Mayo because of Mayo's questionable attitude and high school altercations. He was considered 3-4 (he went 3rd). Terrence Morris should have left school. He was projected as the top pick in most mocks (no less then top 3 in anything i saw). I do agree there is a long time and players will emerge just as they decline. We will just have to wait and see. If Derozan can't qualify for USC you may see him right along Jennings. I would bet anything that if he goes the professional route Nike will be sitting there waiting to hand him a lucrative shoe deal before he plays a game.
The only place I could see that he MIGHT lose financially is in marketing money....and there is no guarantee he would lose out, especially if Arizona falls on it's face next year. I think it all evens out for him....and he gets 300k and a chance to experience life in Europe. Who wouldn't want that? DD
