About the only place I post is in the D&D. I bet 75% of my posts are here. I'm not controlled or intimadated by your labels. I daresay that i am a more tolerant individual than you are. You are disdainful of everything that is not your pet thing. I'm not.
My point in bringing up Noll/Tatum was that this is not a new issue which has just been drummed up by Rush. You all seem to be wanting to convict Limbaugh of creating image problems for the NFL when, in fact, they have been around for a long time. It is not clouding the issue at all; it is carbon-dating the issue. If you bothered to read the transcript from the show where the "Bloods and Crips" quote was lifted, you'll find that he is talking mostly about the woofing and efforts at intimidation that go on in the game. The caller in that transcript brings up Mark Gastineau (the famed white Jet DE who popularized sack dances). Rush makes no excuses for Gastineau and does not exempt him from the criticism. I can get offended by things Rush says and I can disagree with a lot of what he says, but I don't have to castigate and marginalize him like the rest of you seem to want to do. He's neither as good as he thinks he is or as bad as you think he is...
About 75% (or more) of your posts in the D&D are in defense of racists, bigots and hate mongers. You have an apparently infinite energy for this, your pet cause: defending hateful, intolerant assholes. Nugent, Coulter, Hagee, Sowell, Limbaugh. Am I forgetting anyone? The disturbing thing is that these are the only people you spend energy defending. You don't jump in (and you certainly don't stick around for dozens of pages) when anyone is being bashed but a hate monger. Then you can't stop talking. It's sick, giddyup. I'm all for freedom of speech, but I do hate intolerant bigots. You, on the other hand, love to advocate for them. What's wrong with you?
you obviously dont listen to his show than. poor persecuted rush! everyone picks on him! "you dont understand him like i do - he's complex" - that is soooo precious! are you gay for rush? the ability to label and dismiss him is made convenient by the content of what he actually says. and i do get some sense of self-satisfaction pointing out what a hypocritical piece of garbage he is and knowing that i am not like him.
You are just spouting off... 1. Nugent: I simply pointed up that he had black musicians that worked and traveled with him their entire career. I think that says a lot more about his capacity for racism than your baseless charges. 2. Coulter: So she's a convervative thinker/author who says something outrageous now and then and you want to shut her up. I don't know what you have in mind that you think I defended. I think I defended her right to exist more than anything. 3. Hagee: I only remember criticizing him for his remarks about the Katrina. Good people were lost in that, too. I did object to others comparing that radical Muslim cleric to Hagee-- which is/was a ridiculous proposition. 4. Sowell: How is he any kind of hate-monger? Because he doesn't love Obama?
Word, jo mama. These are literally the worst people this country has to offer. And giddyup loves them. Sick.
Nope. I'm pointing out that you find the most hateful people in our country to be perfectly reasonable and defensible. They're not and you're sick if you think that they are. I'm not going to get into another 30 page exchange with you. I (and the rest of the world) have made those arguments before. And, really, we hardly need to argue the point(s). The hate speech of all five people speaks for itself. As does your spirited defense of it. I'm just here to point out that your favorite pastime is standing up for bigots and rationalizing their behavior. There is apparently something deeply wrong with you.
I think that may well be fair enough. I'll say this. I think some of us want to castigate and marginalize Limbaugh and Beck types not because we want to suppress them or cut off their (enormous) profits and careers. Some of us just think that these folks are doing a lot more pervasive damage to the country's ability to discuss important topics than is acknowledged. I mean, I can't even talk about important issues with my Dad anymore b/c he just recites Beck/Fox talking points, usually based on no data. When I bring up the data, he just raises the volume. It used to not be that way, and (in my personal case), I'm missing out on getting the wisdom of my Dad, and honestly his conservative views. Instead, all I get is the talking points (e.g. "Czars! Obama has so many Czars!" and even "death panels!"... just ridiculous that our conversations have devolved to that and now even stopped.) I don't mean Rush and Beck are alone is this, but they are unusually influential and effective in getting people into emotional, negative, paranoid, and non-data-driven territory. They have every right to do this and profit from it, but frankly it ain't helping the US of A, right down to the level of individual families.
Nice post, B-Bob. That reminds me, I don't recall giddyup mounting a spirited defense of Glenn Beck. He should probably get on that.
I don't have a theory; I have a fact. The fact is that we're on page 15 of a thread which is comprised only of people saying Limbaugh is a divisive d******d and you defending him. You have also done this with four other gigantically divisive, bigoted dickheads. You have shown no such spirit for anything else in more than seven years on this board. Conclusion: There is something wrong with you.
Rush's ascent to the top was unique. At that time, he was alone as a popular conservative voice. William F. Buckley had been relegated to Public TV (how ironic is that?) in the sixties and seventies. I know virtually nothing about Beck (that plop you hear is Batman's theory landing in the dumpster). I've honestly never seen his show from start to finish. I've snatched portions of it from time to time but that is it. I watch about a thousand times more Stewart/Colbert than Glenn Beck... or listen to Rush for that matter. I'll say this about Beck and Rush: if someone here weren't promoting the opposing view there would be no discussion going on. While I consider myself a right-leaning moderate, I do run to the defense of those even to the right of me because almost no one here does... and there is no discussion if that happens. People here seem more interested in trying to shame conservatism than in discussing any ideas. That won't work with me because I know my heart-- even better than Batman does! I'm outta here. Got my daughter's 8th birthday party this afternoon. We are tye-dying T-shirts. Maybe I'll do some Rocket Red and Desert Gold for old time's sake.
Have not. What about Beck? Did I drop the ball there? There was no thread about Hagee. There was a thread about that Muslim cleric speaking and promoting and recruiting for terrorist violence. Someone compared Hagee to him and I stood against that BS. I started that thread and it was not about Hagee. Selective memory? I can't help it if you think Nugent, Coulter, Hagee and Rush are the four worst people in the world. That's your problem. See the name-calling. That would seem to indicate that you have no argument except sensationalism.
giddy, you're the master of distraction. You've not even attempted to answer my core premise: You like to defend bigots. Plain and simple. Judging from your posts, it's your favorite thing to do here. But now, as usual, we've devolved into me repeating my key point and you dancing around it with weirdo semantics and off topic points. That is boring to me so I'm not going to repeat arguments of the past. You like to defend bigots. Period.
I bet older people felt this way in sixties. They probably thought the Postwar world was such an improvement to Hoovervilles and 300 deaths a day that all the teenagers and twenty somethings screaming about Love, Sex, Peace, Tolerance and Compassion made no sense.
I'll defend you if the situation calls for it. See in your arrogance you will only be satisfied by my acquiescing to your charges. Nuance and tolerance are viewed by you as dancing around. Do you realize how ludicrous it is for you to think that you have a scientific grasp of the pattern of my 14,000+ posts here. Big ego is all I can suggest. Frankly I'd look in the mirror when throwing around these kind of charges. Your carefully crafted avante garde image is too tight-fitting. Maybe hurry on back to the batcave and have Alfred mix up some martinis and have a chat with him about the real world outside of the artsy-fartsy circles you run in.
