You too Lindsey Lohan!!! Loving the gay community and a liberal agenda while despising everything else is hardly the zenith of tolerance.
did you think I was disagreeing with you? that was an awesome pwnge of Batman you laid out.....nicely done.
Umm, his job is to represent the interests of the players. If his players don't want Rush as an owner, then it makes perfect sense that he'd promote that view. That's the whole purpose of a union. I don't recalll the NFLPA fighting Vick's suspension or any of a number of other suspensions over the past few years. But of course the NFLPA is going to defend the players - that's their whole reason for existing! The owners push their interests; the NFLPA pushes their interests; and then they negotiate. It's just the start? How so? The issue is already resolved. What more time is he going to spend on it? Weird that you have no problem with Limbaugh stirring up opposition based on made up garbage when he does it. Why? His responsibility is the best interests of his league. The players were against it and many owners were against it. Why wouldn't he come out against it? If Rush wants to act like a jackass on the radio, he has that right. And the NFL has the right to say they want nothing to do with him.
My bad then. I'm not used to anyone defending me or my positions in here. I get a little touchy after 10 pages....
1. When the ED started meddling in this (i.e. wrote that memo) the issue was wide-open still. 2. A handful of players have spoken out. There has been no mandate from them about whether or not they would cash a five- or six-digit paycheck that reflected some of Limbaugh's hard-earned dollars. As far as I know only Irsay spoke out against him. Is one owner "many?" 3. This meddling is depriving Limbaugh wholly of an opportunity. As I understand it, Barbra Streisand has managed to feed her face in spite of decades of ridicule from Limbaugh. She has gotten to go where she wants and do what she wants in spite of him. This effort here is to prevent Rush from buying into an industry that he truly loves and wants to improve evidently. 4. I agree largely with your last sentence, but I would edit it to read "NFL owners (have) the right to say they want nothing to do with him." I don't see it as the province of the players or even the commissioner.
Why isn't it the right of the players? They don't have a right to speak up and tell the league they work in that they don't want a particular owner? I ask because I don't know.
Nah, just a mis-judgment brought on by A) surprise and B) only 4 hours of sleep. I don't hate anybody.
If it worked that way, don't you think Donald Sterling would have been gone a long time ago? In what industry do the employees dictate ownership? Even street prostitutes don't have that power....
Who said they were dictating ownership? My question is why aren't they allowed to express their opinion?
Well they are allowed to express, but people here are taking a "case-closed" position because a handful of players spoke out.
Did you just compare street prostitutes to million dollar football players? I sense this can morph into a debate on unions and what powers they should have in controlling the way a business operates. The owners have money and the union of players have the skill. There is a lot more money in this world than there is top-tier skill. If the skill isn't happy with a specific business owner or is offered money elsewhere, then they have the right to choose where they perform. If the consensus among players is that they won't sign with the Rams because of a controversial owner, then the owners and commissioner need to respect that. They have seats to fill there and a consistently bad franchise is never a good thing for the league. Let me give a better example than you street prostitute one: There is a world class ballet hall with the top 250 dancers in the world. They put on performances and have the most successful business of its kind around the world. The owner decides to sell the business to a man that none of the dancers want to work for. Business is sold, dancers leave and are replaced by lower quality dancers and the value of the business declines dramatically. I laugh when people argue that a union of skilled workers has no place in a supply/demand free-market society.
so in giddyup's world. right-wing talk show host who has built a career on flaming anyone and everyone who disagrees with him can say whatever he wants without consequences, yet football players or their elected leaders should not say a word about it when he is trying to become part of their business. what ****ing world do you wake up in? i just want to be sure never to accidentally pass through.
Let's face it. There are people who are convinced racism doesn't (never?) exist anymore, only people who fabricate and cry wolf about it. These are your staunch 'Rush isn't a racist' supporters plain and simple. Anyways, Rush got what he wanted. A ton of publicity and he can further his martyrdom to his fan base. And the NFL is not reacting to a few players statements. I don't know if you noticed but this issue has overshadowed any talk about the product on the field this coming weekend. It's been mentioned or discussed on every national and local news show. It is the top sports league by far. They don't need any controversy to tarnish it.
Giddyup's world? Do you pick your bosses any other way than changing employers? Do you have any other tricks besides hyperbole. Rush has callers regularly who disagree with him; he doesn't automatically flame them. They have to deserve it. People are free to have opinions. I object to them using them to barge into areas where they should have no say, i.e. who signs their very large checks. Why is this guy ED of the Player's Association instead of the Owner's Association? The "business" belongs to the owners not the players.
Concensus? Can you show me where that has been anything but presumed based on a very limited number of opinions... which except for owner's opinions are immaterial anyway. You are making a judgment with but a smidgen of data. Nowhere near any concensus... which is your criteria not mine.
if enough employees or other partners (you're forgetting there were owners against this as well) don't want someone to be brought in, it is certainly within their right to say so. you haven't forgotten that this is still america, right? freedom of speech and all that? i'm guessing at any company, if there were enough employees who were not happy about their boss and they went to their boss' boss to express their dissatisfaction, there's a chance they could replace that person. in fact, that recently happened at my workplace. there was a manager in one of our departments that was doing a terrible job. enough of that person's employees expressed their dissatisfaction with that person and that person was eventually removed from a supervisor role before being laid off altogether. your view of the workplace and how employees should shut their mouths when confronted with things they dislike is sad. sounds like you'd like a return to the 1800s or something. good thing your world isn't the real one.
First of all, I said "If there is a consensus"... According to reports, at least 7 NFL players have been outspoken about Rush. With the small sample size, you see 7 against him a 0 for him. We will probably never know what discussions were held by players behind closed doors when the news broke. Link: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/10/11/nfl-players-union-opposes-rush-limbaughs-bid-rams "At least seven NFL players have publicly opposed Limbaugh's interest in purchasing the Rams with Checketts." Given that the issue is over... Rush is out... There is no need for more players to be outspoken about their disdain (which I promise you exists after his McNabb comments) for El Rushbutt.
This is the whole point...the players were saying that they wouldn't work for that particular employer if Rush owned the team, i.e., signing with another team. The players exerted what power they had in a totally acceptable way. In fact, it's more helpful to the Rams now than if this happened after the purchase. The players union is an extension of every player in the league, so their involvement shouldn't be a surprise. If I owned an ad agency, and I was thinking about taking on a business partner....and several of my ad execs, people who allow me to make all of these profits, said they'd work for a rival firm if I did...same result.
