[Boxing] Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs Juan Manuel Marquez

Mayweather was unreal. I don't remember seeing a technical fight against a quality opponent like Marquez that was that dominate before. He's back, indeed.

 

The sweet science of boxing is to hit and not be hit. That is what Floyd is all about. His defense can't be matched. You can talk about how he runs or whatever but that's strategy. THe MMA equivalent would be grabbing or holding your opponent. Casual fans may find Floyd boring but for boxing heads, it can be a thing of beauty.

 

pound for pound, Mayweather MAY be the best boxer of my lifetime.

 

Don't you mean it's not cheating if you have the juice to bend the rules. Exibit A. However you wanna look at it, Floyd cheated BECAUSE HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4485941


According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.

Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh-in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.

Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.

"We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said.

Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.

 

Gotta fight Mosley...

 

Dude, stop. It's a contract. You build in clauses just for this sort of thing. It's not cheating....there's a fine built in...a monetary fine. Marquez doesn't have to agree to any of it. He did.

This is not cheating.

Beyond that, Floyd was so much quicker than Marquez it's ridiculous. Give Marquez 5 more pounds and Floyd still dominates him. That was the story of the fight. Not 2 pounds.

 

I think they'll set up Pac-Mayweather.

 

Everyone who pines for a pac-mayweather fight in the hopes that pac can do something with floyd will be disappointed. The problem is that pac will have the exact same disadvantages that Marquez had. If you have a guy that is so much bigger naturally than you are you better be quicker than he is. That is not the case with pac and pac will get picked apart just like Marquez did.

The reason that Oscar was good against Floyd is because Oscar was able to dictate distance with his jab.

Mayweather needs to fight Mosley but that isn't going to happen because Mayweather knows he'll get put on his back.

 

I got a question for you, was the contract changed at the last minute? A contract is only good when it enforces agreed upon terms. In this case, did that happen or not?

You keep acting as if they had this weight overage stipulation built into the original contract, according to this espn article that was not the case.

 

I don't know if Mayweather will fight Mosley...but Mayweather isn't someone totally out-hulking these guys. The weight difference is tiny...we have guys fighting in other weight classes who aren't making weight by lots more than what we saw last night.

Mayweather is a technical fighter....among the best defensive boxers I've EVER seen. I have to think hard to come up with another.

Pac is much quicker than Marquez is...especially at this stage of his career. I think Pac gives Floyd a much better fight than Marquez did.

In the end, Floyd is super quick. People don't like him because of his personality...and so they make out this weight thing to be far more than it is. Marquez is a good fighter...Floyd is a better one.

 

yes it happened. It was TOTALLY contemplated in the contract. Marquez "initialed it", if this guy is to be believed and it wasn't that way from the beginning.

there are also state regulations in place to deal with this stuff. it was a 4 pound difference.

"if you come in at X weight, here's my payday"

"if you come in at Y weight, here's my payday"

do you honestly think marquez was surprised at this?? he and golden boy knew full well that floyd was a bigger fighter. that he was going to have to get down in weight. they took the fight because they wanted the payday and the chance to add knocking out mayweather to his resume.

but looking at floyd, i'm not sure he could lose much more. remember, he too fought up from lightweight before...but i'm not sure his body at 32 years old is getting down any lower than it is right now.

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-mayweather-marquez19-2009sep19,0,7533414.story

Golden Boy matchmaker Eric Gomez declined to speculate when asked if the Marquez camp believed Mayweather ever intended to weigh 144.

"Juan told me personally [Friday] morning that he feels comfortable at 142, and that even if Floyd's weight does go up [from 146], Juan feels he'll have an edge by being lighter and faster," Gomez said. "Juan told me, 'I don't care if Floyd comes in at 160, he could come in sluggish.'

"Juan is not being forced in any way to do something he doesn't want to do."

 

The reason people don't like Mayweather is because he takes fights where he clearly has advatages. If he picks a brawler type of fighter, like an arturo gatti, he outclasses him with his speed and defense. In the case of Pac, who I love, he doesn't have the size to make his quick hands and punching power an advantage, Mayweather would just be picking on a small guy which is more or less how he decides who to fight these days.

Pac will probably get by Cotto and everybody will say Pac is the guy to give Mayweather a fight, but with Mayweather's defense and speed, it will not matter. Mosley is the guy that will put Mayweather on his back.

 

I doubt anyone can knock him out. Maybe earlier in his career, but he is too smart now. He doesn't open himself to get hit. He will throw a few punches, land a good chunk of them then just dance around.

 

You want to see a great fight: Vitali Klitschko vs. Cristobal Arreola next week is free on hbo. I can't want to see this fight.

 

You do know that mosley is past his prime????

 

Hey does anybody know if that Vitali Klitschko vs. Cristobal Arreola fight next week is free on hbo?

 

one thing about Pac is that when you hit him, he puts his fist up in the air as to say lets fight, and when Mayweather gets hit, he smiles and acknowledges that you gave it a shot.. Pac gets more aggressive as the fight moves on, while Mayweather tighten up his defense as the fight goes on landing one shot at a time.. Whatever the outcome of this bout will be, it will not be more exciting than Pac vs Cotto...

 

i'm not at all convinced of that.

 

These two are completely different fighters. Marquez is more of a counter puncher while Pac brings the fight to you. Pac is also much quicker. He's as fast, if not faster than Money May. Pac also has more experience fighting above 135. Pac ain't 36 either.