Boxer Bernard Hopkins says MMA is gay porno, not a sport

awesome i never knew that. that was pretty cool to see.

 

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True, If you think that MMA is in the same league with the NFL, NBA, and MLB. Which I, certainly do not. Maybe close to the same level as Volleyball or something...Or Nascar...
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Top athletes? I disagree...

 

what a lot of you guys seem to be ignoring is that MMA fighters can not strictly practice striking, they spend time stricking, as well as wrestling, jiu jitsu, clinch, etc. If they only practiced striking it would be K-1 which has great strikers. Boxers get to train their boxing, not the other stuff.... so of course they are much better at the boxing then most/all mma fighters.

And for those questioning the talent of anderson silva because you saw him box in a 3 minute video... go watch his fights and his muay thai championships.... like i said earlier they are simply different sports.

 

Anybody who carries the torch for boxers without having an understanding of the different the facets of MMA is either sorely myopic or simply hard-headed. When I read posts referring to the ground game as simply 'laying on each other' I almost have to laugh at the unmitigated, intellectual simplicity of those statements. A boxer -- who only boxes, would not have an opportunity to simply stand with an MMA fighter. He would be on the ground. On his back. Like a freaking turtle who doesn't quite know what's going on. In MMA if one doesn't have a firm grasp of both wrestling, grappling, and striking, it doesn't matter how "explosive" we think they are -- they are going to be beat. Repeatedly. It's move/counter-move. If you put me on my back and I don't know how to defend from the ground then I'm never going to get into my boxing "happy-place" -- standing across from my opponent knowing he's never going to change levels on me because, heck, we're boxing. But if the game changes to MMA, and now you not only have to bounce outside of my power hand but also worry about being taken down, then your world has just been tilted a bit. So if we were to ever make an apples-to-apples comparison (in terms of experience and time spent training) between say, 5-year boxer and a 5-year MMA fighter, then I think we would all see how far the evolution of combat sports has come and how boxing is dying a slow death.

 

With that bit of enlightenment made known, the world of boxing will rise again, with MMA cast to the abyss.

 

Why are you talking about a fight between a boxer and a MMA fighter as if boxing is a fighting style? They dont even let you throw a backhand.If some friends get together and play some hoops are they playing a sport? If two guys put on some gloves, are they fighting or boxing? If two guys put on those (i dont know what they are called) open finger gloves, do a little wrestling and some chokes/holds are they MMA'ing? As for the fighters "laying on each other" why did the refs start standing them up? It didnt use to be that way. They both lay there waiting for an opportunity...both waiting...

I've watched quite a few MMA fights when I had free access to every ppv they had for a while, even on VS channel and some channell...I think from Michigan. There are some fighters I like, like Rampage, Fedor, GSP, but who wants to watch them fight tomato cans? Most of those guys dont seem like fighters at all. They remind me of the toughman contestants, just with some training. And for those of you who say Boxing is dying a slow death, like Rogan, what in the world makes you say that? Im being serious, what are you going by? Also If you give a young MMA fighter five yrs of Boxing exp., how would he do in the ring? If you give a Boxer five years of MMA training, how would he do in the cage?

 

Bullet Bob Hayes and Antonio Gates both were outstanding football players before their NFL careers. Gates was recruited to Mich State by Nick Saban, but only to play football; Gates wanted to play basketball as well, so he went elsewhere. Hayes was the star of a Florida State Champion HS football team, and an All-American RB/WR at Florida A&M, in addition to being a world-class sprinter.

Just sayin'.

 

I think a lot of the MMA-only fans here are seriously underestimating the hand speed, foot speed, agility, punching power, and ability to take a punch possessed by a top-flight boxer. Yes, if a MMA guy got a hold of a boxer he would be taken down & pounded pretty easily...but I'm not sure an MMA guy could get close enough to take one down without getting knocked the **** out.

 

look like toughman contestants with training? dont know about that. as has been mentioned before, mma fighters cant work on stand up non stop, they have to take time to work on ground stuff. of course boxers are gonna look better standing up.

i dont know if boxing is "dying" per say, but i think most are just referring to the growing popularity of MMA. big boxing PPV's sell well yea, but how many of those are there? the UFC grows in viewers, and gets the most highly sought of demographic 18-25 yr olds.

the fact is, MMA is having some kind of impact, otherwise, why would hopkins come out and say this? sounds like he's threatened by it. boxing fans will have their base, thats fine, but to knock MMA , especially with the whole homophobic ordeal is just childish.

 

Joe Rogan has something to say about MMA vs Boxing:

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I hate Joe Rogan. Just like I hate Dana White.

 

Agreed. Kinda like how MMA made Kimbo look.

There is a reason these guys didn't go into boxing.

Royce Gracie was interesting to watch in the first few, however. It was completely no-holds-barred-anything went in the first few.

Now it is just men dry-humping each other.

The saddest part is, I've been dragged to a couple of these. They build these dramatic storylines. I become interested in their motives. They hate each other due to ****, etc.

The first few minutes are pretty fun to watch...

And then it goes to dry humping.

It's almost like watching dogs fighting, only to hump each other.

"Fifi! No!!!"

 

Well Ill take back that toughman comment, but only halfway back; instead of saying most fighters. Im sure the same could be said for boxing, though never at the top. I had a few fighters in mind when I said it. One of them was one of the last fights I watched, thinking why would I want to watch this. I wont mention any names, but his initials are Forrest Griffin. Anyways here is what Roy Jones JR has to say. I think he is being honest but then again he may be speaking from a vested interest in the MMA world point of view. I had no idea MMA is on espn now? I havent watched much satellite tv since my fta went out.

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^^^

Silva wants to fight Roy in a boxing fight. I don't care how washed up Roy is, Silva is going to get knocked out in the 4 rounds.

 

That's because many MMA guys think the striking skills of MMA fighters is just a little behind boxers when in reality the gap in skills/ability is the Grand Canyon. You don't even have to have experience with both disciplines. Watch UFC Unleashed and see Chuck Liddell's punches and then watch a Roy Jones fight or even an amateur fight for that matter. It looks like a grown man's punches vs. a 90 year old woman's. I'm not saying Liddell doesn't have punching power or skills compared to the average guy or even the average MMA guy but compared to a boxer his skills are laughable.

You would most likely have the MMA figher-turned-boxer getting beat the first time he fought a worthy boxer and the boxer-turned-MMA guy dominating MMA provided both guys are decent natural athletes and put 100% into learning their new skills.

Again, the boxing guys are just better athletes at this point and trainers/promoters/scouts are going to steer the best athletes to the best money which is in professional boxing by far. Nobody starts out in MMA and turns down boxing if they think they can switch over(if they have the ability). What will be interesting is what happens as more and more washed-up boxers give MMA a try. We saw what happened to Tim Silvia when he faced a more than washed up boxer. He got KOed.