Wade actually did a very good job with his trades, but Lunhow is being impressive. With Wade, Cust would be on a guaranteed deal, Snyder would have been given $5M, and probably another $5M to Livan. Hopefully we can see great results when he gets to trading Wandy, Myers, & Lee.
Maybe there is hope for the season after all....F'd it. it's baseball season baby. its like pizza, its good no matter when
Astros.com prospect list has been updated to include Chapman. He comes in at #14: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/index.jsp?c_id=hou#list=hou
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>On tonight's Astroline concerning the PTBNL @<a href="https://twitter.com/alysonfooter">alysonfooter</a> said he would be a "centerpiece" to the deal.</p>— Mike Tauser (@farmstros) <a href="https://twitter.com/farmstros/status/182644606507302912" data-datetime="2012-03-22T01:47:22+00:00">March 22, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>One more Astroline bite, @<a href="https://twitter.com/alysonfooter">alysonfooter</a> also said the reason the P is TBNL will become obvious once they are named(I've read this elsewhere)</p>— Mike Tauser (@farmstros) <a href="https://twitter.com/farmstros/status/182645133307678720" data-datetime="2012-03-22T01:49:27+00:00">March 22, 2012</a></blockquote> <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It's likely the PTBNL is a 2011 draft pick. Here's the list from their draft... http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=kc I sincerely doubt it's their first round pick, Bubba Starling. Maybe 3rd rounder Bryan Brickouse from The Woodlands.
It's 110% certain they would NOT trade Starling for a couple backups. I doubt it's Brickhouse either. Could be a 4th-10th rounder if Luhnow is as awesome as I think he is.
This is a pretty good deal that can be a great one depending on who the PTBNL is. Q and Bourgeois are both imminently replaceable, but I wouldn't get my hopes up on Chapman. He struggled with his control at AA as a 23-year old, which is not promising. The streets are littered with big young arms who couldn't command the strike zone enough to be worth anything. Regardless of how it turns out, these are exactly the kind of deals Lunhow should be making. Chapman will likely never contribute in a meaningful way, but there's certainly at least a small chance that he will develop into a solid reliever, plus you add the PTBNL and they cost you essentially nothing valuable in return.
They keep saying it is a significant piece... Obviously not Bubba Starling. We don't have a player on this roster worth what Bubba Starling is to KC. Brickhouse would qualify as a significant piece (he is the only other top 20 prospect from the 2011 draft). 5th rounder Patrick Leonard is from St. Thomas (Where Biggio coaches). Plays SS currently, but could end up at 3B. I'd actually be very excited about Brickhouse/Leonard/Kyle Smith (4th round)
At the very worst, the team saves over $1M just from Q's salary. Edit: Another possibility could be an international free agent that they signed less than a year ago.
So we most likely won't know who the player to be named is until August? Or can they announce it sooner, but can't officially trade the player until 1 year after they signed?
I'm guessing it will come out sooner (though such a small move between two losing teams might not get the attention), but the official release will have to wait. Here is what Alyson Footer tweeted to me when I asked her why they can't mention it yet: [rquoter]It will be a while before ptbnl is actually named, for reasons we'll delve into later. Stay tuned.[/rquoter]
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/10/15/2490676/kansas-city-royals-top-20-prospects-for-2012 Kansas City Royals Top 20 Prospects for 2012 1) Wil Myers, OF, Grade A-: I still believe in him, and I expect a big step forward in 2012. Moving up to the PCL, he could explode in the same way that Brett Lawrie did. 2) Bubba Starling, OF, Grade B+: He will be in my Top 50 hitters, although I don't exactly know where yet. Enormous upside with power/speed/Winfield-like potential, but rawness an issue. 3) Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B, Grade B+. If he hadn't slumped so badly in August this would be a no-brain A- grade. He was the youngest regular in the Midwest League and dominated much of the season. Defense may be an issue but bat could be special. 4) Jake Odorizzi, RHP, Grade B+: He has been a favorite of mine for three years and I see no reason to change that opinion, although he needs to work a bit lower in the zone. 5) Michael Montgomery, LHP, Grade B: Erratic, but still has high upside and is close to the majors. Slight adjustments could result in a breakthrough. 6) Kelvin Herrera, RHP, Grade B-: I'm shying away from giving relievers elite grades except in rare cases. There are lots of tough borderline grades in this system. I eventually decided there was enough uncertainty here to lower him to Grade B-. 7) Yordano Ventura, RHP, Grade B-: You have to love the arm strength and he was strong down the stretch. Grade could rise quickly in 2012. 8) Chris Dwyer, LHP, Grade B-: Another tough grade, but like Montgomery, there is still a lot of upside here if he can get his command where it needs to be. 9) Christian Colon, SS, Grade B-: Very solid glove, and I have not given up on the bat yet. High contact rate is a good marker and I think he can remain at shortstop. 10) Elier Hernandez, OF, Grade B-: Ranking Latin American signees this young who have no professional experience is very difficult, no matter how glowing the scouting report. His ceiling is enormous but we have no idea if tools will translate into skills. 11) Brett Eibner, OF, Grade B-: Another hard-to-handle grade, excellent power potential, draws walks, but contact issues look serious. This is a partial injury mulligan and he needs to get the bat going in '12 to retain this type of rating. 12) Bryan Brickhouse, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline C+: One of many promising high school players from '11 draft who signed too late to play. Without any pro data, it is tough to rank them in relation to guys already in the system. 13) Kyle Smith, RHP, Grade B-/Borderline C+: Same thing as with Brickhouse, impressive arm, bought away from college, scouts like him, but ranking is difficult. 14) Jason Adam, RHP, Grade C+: You could make a case to rank him ahead of the guys who haven't pitched yet. Seems overlooked and I think he could break through at Wilmington. 15) John Lamb, LHP, Grade C+: Tommy John guy. Just have to wait and see. Recovery of stuff and/or command is far from automatic. 16) Jorge Bonifacio, OF, Grade C+: Well-kept secret, somewhat raw, but toolsy, hit well in Appy League, right field arm. Breakthrough candidate for 2012 if he makes additional progress with strike zone. 17) Cam Gallagher, C, Grade C+: Second round high school catcher from 2011 draft, you could rank him as high as 12 if you believe in the bat. If all goes well: Devin Mesoraco. If all goes poorly, Kyle Skipworth. 18) Clint Robinson, 1B, Grade C+: I know he's old, but I think he can hit. He doesn't have Kila's problems with excessive patience. Would be a monster in Japan, and would be a useable DH/1B bat for someone in the majors. 19) Jeremy Jeffress, RHP, Grade C+: Still trying to figure out how to use that fastball, but seemed to go backwards this year despite making opening day roster. 20) Tim Melville, RHP, Grade C+: Continues to flash ability but still struggling to put it together game to game. Might be better off in the bullpen. 21) Brian Fletcher, OF, Grade C+: Need to see at higher levels, but he's mashed in college and the low minors. Aggressive hitter, not great tools or defense. 22) Greg Billo, RHP, Grade C+: Outstanding numbers in Midwest League, although scouts remain lukewarm due to lack of plus velocity. He is still quite young at age 21. OTHERS: Michael Antonio, SS; Noel Arguelles, LHP; Humberto Arteaga, SS; Buddy Baumann, LHP; Jeff Bianchi, 2B; Mark Binford, RHP; Orlando Calixte, SS; Kevin Chapman, LHP; Jake Junis, RHP; Patrick Leonard, OF; Jack Lopez, SS; David Lough, OF; Justin Marks, LHP; Danny Mateo, INF; Adalberto Mondesi, SS (could rank a lot higher, I am still researching him), Yamaico Navarro, SS; Elisaul Pimentel, RHP; Leonel Santiago, RHP; Brandon Sisk, LHP; Tim Smith, OF; Will Smith, LHP; Everett Teaford, LHP; D'Andre Toney, OF; Kendal Volz, RHP.
For a 2011 KC draftee, sometime between June and August of this year, depending on the actual date that KC signed him. KC has to wait a full year after signing a draftee before they can trade him. Drafts are in June and teams have to the end of August to sign their draftees.
I have a feeling this PTBNL is going to wind up being some inanimate object that was thrown in as an extra. The way they are dancing around revealing the exact level of compensation is mysterious. Instead of saying that the PTBNL will come out of the normal scenarios, they remain vague..... ....this will be a "key" component.... ....it will become "obvious" why it is a PTBNL once it is revealed.... I think the joke will be on us once they reveal what it is.
Dude, chill. Not everything is a conspiracy. Not every move is a bad one. If it were to be some random schmuck and not the centerpiece of the deal that keeps being repeated, it would be done by now.
Never said it was a bad move.... What they have already received warrants the trade, but I think the PTBNL could be some humorous surprise.
