That is a good question. A bit embarrassing to say the least, like going to pick a nice chick in her house, and competiting with 10 other guys.
Brooks / Lowry Martin / Budinger Ariza / Turkoglu Bosh / Scola Yao / Hayes Solid rotation. That second group is all hustle, all heart. Plus, Turk could take the Point Forward position sometimes, and be unpredictable.
Would it make sense to purchase a first rounder( hawks 23) to include in a deal. I"d rather give TOR this years 23 than last years 44.
I think Hill can turn into a pretty good player myself, maybe even great, but Championship windows close real quickly (ask Adelman about his time in Sacramento). I can't say with any certainty that this trade will put us in that class, but I think it will get us close, so if you can do this deal without giving up any core players, do the trade, and deal with the future in the future. (btw Bosh is only 3 years older)
Now that I think about it, most of us is forgetting Miami. IMO Boozer would be a better fit for them, but I have a feeling that they would go after Bosh first before Boozer and they could sign him outright, but Bosh would be stupid to leave 26 million on the table so he would ask the Raptors to do a sign and trade with Miami and imo they have better assets then we do. Let me explain. Even though we have the Knicks first round picks for the next two years, Miami has two mid round first round draft picks plus there are rumors that they are open to trading Mike Beasley which would trump any offer the Rockets would offer them. Beasley is a 25 and 10 guy waiting to happen. But when you are playing with a guy that takes 20 to 25 shots a game and has the ball in his hands all the time, he would never get to show what he can do. If Beasley does go to the Raptors he would instantly be the man there and the Raptors would be dumb not to take the deal if Beasley is offered . I know Bosh has said he wants to be the main guy, but if you are going to get max money, who cares? With him and Wade together, they would be instant contenders. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't the Rockets getting him, but if you were the Raptors what would you rather have? Miami: 2 mid first round picks in this years draft Micheal Beasley They are under the cap so the Raptors don't have to take back any salary or Houston: Jordan Hill 2 Knicks first round choices that no one knows how valueable it will be And fillers like Jeffries and Battier to make the trade work.
You are giving Michael Beasley far too much credit. If you ask me he's proven himself to be a bust, on all aspects of his game. Jordan Hill easily surpasses Beasley. Advantage Rockets.
so biased, Rockets has a higher pick this year to use too, on top of the Knicks' picks. and if you want to claim Beasley a "25 and 10 guy waiting to happen" ... well, we can end our disscution here
I just wanted to response to a few things I saw people posted. First off, like Justice said, majority of the teams that have cap space have another player ranked higher than say Bosh. Chicago wants D. Wade and their first priority is getting a SG. Knicks want LBJ or Joe Johnson. Miami wants to sign Wade first and then target Bosh, Amare, or Looser. New Jersey wants to try to make a pitch for LBJ or Joe Johnson as well. Look for New Jersey to try and sign David Lee as well. This is where Morey and the Rockets have the advantage as well against these other teams in conviencing Bosh to come to Houston. He can say you are our guy. We're not looking for no one else but you and you're the missing piece. This is important for a player like Bosh to hear right now. He's a 26 year old guy that's about to hit his prime. If the Rockets can make this move, they have a big window open for competing for a championship. That's what you want. The Al Jefferson vs Bosh debate is something worth bringing up. Although Jefferson had torn his MCL, Bosh hasn't been a healthy guy himself. He's had his injuries in the past as well. Jefferson is slowly gaining form and that's good. It takes at least one year for a player to come back to their regular form. Jefferson is cheaper and he's better on the block than Bosh. They both rebound at the same rate and both aren't strong defenders but Jefferson can block shots better than Bosh. Bosh has a better offensive game and he has range which is important for Houston. I would rather have Bosh but he's a soft player. You need a player that can be nasty and Bosh isn't that type of player. Either way, Morey has to make sure he doesn't give up too much for either player. The Rockets can't afford to lose a lot of their core. It would be another Charles Barkley trade. Morey wants Rubio because he's a young prospect. I don't think he'll try and make a run at him this year but I think maybe next year he will. Rubio is a special talent. Many NBA GM's would love to have him. Is he better than Brooks? No one knows right now but Brooks is our PG right now.
I disagree. If bosh says he wants to come to houston, but toronto wants to push hedo down the rockets throats, then the rockets can say no and move on to another target. Personally, I think Jefferson makes more sense anyway. He makes 13m so the rockets just need to get into the 10m range as far as salaries. The depth at the 4 spot is pretty good this year and would look even better for a team still building to get their pick and the 14th. They say they want a scoring wing player, they only have 35 m commited to salaries. If they take either battier or jeffries,andersen and the pick, that would drop them to 32m in salary committed. They could offer rudy gay josh smith or luol deng money to force memphis to match and still have 13m left in cap room. That 13m can be used to absorb a contract. I'm not trying to build up the t'wolves or anything, but if they trade al to the rockets for the package i described and make a run at gay for 6 yrs at 11 per and with that 13m of cap room they can offer to their top pick and say sessions for bynum. Love,bynum,gay,brewer,and flynn is a pretty good starting 5 and they would still have the 14th pick from the rockets.
I actually had to ask Larry Coon a nuanced question on this issue, which he, in turn, had to ask the league office. But he got me an answer. The part that he and I both knew was that, since Jeffries had an ETO for next year (which technically could be exercised to terminate his contract, even though we all know he'd be a fool to do that), ALL of Jeffries's 15% trade kicker was included in his 2009-10 cap figure. Therefore, his salary actually DECREASES on July 1, from $7.82M (his 2009-10 salary plus the 15% trade kicker amount) to $6.88M (his 2010-11 salary, sans trade kicker). I had asked Larry if his trade kicker gets "re-allocated" if he is traded again. After consultation with the league office, he said no. Another question I brought up with him--and I think this is an interesting wrinkle for the Rockets to consider this June--was whether Jeffries could be traded prior to July 1. According to Larry, a player coming up on an ETO year cannot be traded unless his contract is amended to remove the ETO. Even though everyone in the world knows that Jeffries won't opt out of his deal, Jared might not want to remove that ETO and open the door to being traded on draft night. He might actually LIKE being a Houston Rocket (especially after having to be a Knick for so many years!). That said, IF Jeffries agrees to remove the ETO (that he was never going to exercise) from his contract, then he would be an attractive trade asset for a salary dumping team. Again, his salary cap figure would be $7.82M on draft night but would immediately drop to $6.88M a week later. This means that the Rockets could take back up to $9.875M for just Jeffries's contract. A team looking to dump salary could clear almost $3M off its cap by trading for Jeffries's contract on draft night. Again, this would require that Jeffries agree to amend his contract, which is by no means a guarantee. But if he did, the Rockets would have a fairly interesting trade chip on draft night. (Sorry to ramble about this. I actually considered starting a new thread about this, but I figured there were already too many damn threads on this BBS. Oh, well.)
Larry is pretty good about getting back at you. Sometimes it may take him a couple of days, but he will get back. Those trade kickers and other stuff does cloud situations somewhat, but i just use the 25% in salary match which is what it comes out to. I didn't know when that trade kicker thing came in or expired. Good stuff as always. What do you think about the jefferson proposal stuff?
I agree. Back when TMAC decided to leave Orlando, almost all the teams in the NBA lined up to offer great packages. But TMAC decided to partner with yao and Orlando reluctantly accepted our offer, which is far from the best they can get.
When you say its 'clear' he's not interested in OKC, Bosh hasn't said flat out (like Miller recently did about NY) that he won't go sign there. It's just known that he wants to me the man. But you dont think there is the slightest chance that OKC could convince him otherwise? Doing so would no doubt make OKC a very dominant team for the foreseeable future. And I don't know if a sign and trade can be arranged between the 2 teams but I know that OKC has multiple 1st round picks this year. About Chicago, they had a wide array of injuries this year so its hard to tell if they were indeed better than the Rockets w/o Yao or not but if you add Bosh to Rose, Noah, Deng that's one of the league's best defensive lineups. And one of the better offensive ones. What they have going for them is they can offer Bosh max outright w/o having to hassle with a sign and trade. Of course Bosh would have to give up a few million but again, this scenario is not inconceivable. As far as the Rockets, I've always agreed that we have the most assets to offer, so no need for the 'I told you so' . But again, its not unrealistic that Toronto asks for our 3rd best player in Brooks (behind Yao and Martin) to go along with the prospects. For ex, After we flat out reject Bosh + Turkoglu, they could tone down a bit and offer Bosh + J. Jack for Brooks + Hill + fillers. That's why I said that if Morey can get Bosh w/o giving up Brooks (cause he'll surely be sought in any trade the Rockets do), he'd be a genius. Again, I'm not not trying to be pessimistic, I'm actually quite confident in Morey, I just dont think it'll be a walk in the park is all.
At this point, is Michael Beasley's trade value really that much more than Jordan Hill's? I'd definitely bet it's not as much as Brooks, who I don't think the Rockets will have to give up but could, if it came down to it. The Miami draft picks, especially when you'd consider they'd have Wade and Bosh in your scenario, would be much less attractive than picks from NY. They also won't have the likes of our lottery pick this year, Chase Budinger, Sergio Llull, Shane Battier, etc., etc. Again, we don't know what Morey would give up, but on paper I'd say the Rockets could top a Beasley/picks/trade exception offer with relative ease.
OKC is somewhat of a Toronto-like situation - I'll believe a major free agent signing there when I see it. Also, while things certainly can change, there's too much smoke on the whole Bosh not wanting to be a No. 2 option and having no interest in OKC for there not to be some fire.
