Just because he was good in Europe, it doesn't mean he is a better passer or player in the NBA. Wasn't Spanoulis supposed to be a great passer and T-Mac of Greece? He didn't even get 1 assist/game.
What exactly has Bosh produce besides that crappy video of him basically on his knees begging for all star votes?
I didn't exactly say I would, but if Rubio were available, say in a deal with Jefferson, I'd go that route rather than go with Bosh. I'd also consider a deal for Rubio alone, but certainly wouldn't move what I might move to get Bosh, or to get Jefferson/Rubio.
so a guy that's never stepped foot on nba hardwood is better than a 20ppg, 5apg Most Improved Player of the Year starter? that's funny.
If Rubio and Jefferson become available, then Toronto is the most logical place to send Jefferson in exchange for Bosh. Jefferson is the low post power player to go with their floor spacing attack, letting Bargnani spot up at the 3 along with Hedo creating and Calderon with the jumpers. The rest of the deal is sending Minny Battier or Ariza along with Hill, and Andersen and the 2 Knick picks. We send Toronto our #14, plus our #14 pick this season. We then let Brooks play his a... off this next season and send his trade value through the roof, while we wait for Rubio to come available. Then we trade Brooks in his contract year for another major haul.
I might be wrong but I think that after 2011, Brooks will be in the situation that Lowry's in now, namely a restricted free agent. We'll still have his rights but he's gonna get paid one way or another if he keeps playing like this. If the goal really is to trade when his value is highest, that might be this offseason or by the All-Star break in 2011.
So you want Bosh and Rubio. That would be groovy, but that would also be a very, very convoluted deal. I guess the idea is that Morey can accomplish anything. With Dork Elvis, the proper response to that is, "Yes he can!"
I really doubt the T-Wolves would take Andersen... and if we we're going to give up our lottery pick I don't see why we would give it to Toronto, the Wolves are the ones that are losing both Jefferson & Rubio. So I think the lottery pick would go to the Wolves, but than of course I would demand for a 1st round pick in return from the T-Wolves as well.... with that said maybe it can look something like this: Three team deal... Houston Gets: Chris Bosh Rights to Ricky Rubio T-Wolves 2010 1st rd pick (23rd) Toronto Gets: Al Jefferson Wayne Ellington(Expiring) T-Wolves Get: Jordan Hill Jermaine Taylor Shane Battier(Expiring) Houston' 2010 Lottery pick (14th) 2011 NY swap picks --RB
Al Jefferson is a much better value than Bosh because, even though both are primarily PFs. Jefferson has the muscle to give us minutes at center. As I have previously stated, I once would have been giddy over the possibility of Bosh becoming a Rocket. Now, I'm not so keen on gutting our team to acquire Bosh or Jefferson. If we acquire either one, there would be no room for both Scola and Hill. Indeed, we will lose Scola or Hill. As much as I love Scola's game, I'd have to vote to keep Hill. Bosh is not a center so he really is not a good substitute for Yao Ming. He is very expensive but scarcely provides any more points, rebounds, steals, blocks or assists than Scola. Hill also constitutes greater value than Bosh when salary versus production are compared. Jefferson has a more plausible salary to production ratio, but Scola and Hill are still better values. I hope Morey makes noise over Bosh so that some other team overpays for Bosh leaving the Rockets a better shot at a FA with a good production to salary ratio. However, if Morey could pull off a Jefferson/Rubio trade for Scola/Ariza or Battier, I would forgive Morey for the Rudy Gay debacle.
Code: [B]Scola Bosh[/B] min 36 36 pts 17.9 23.9 reb 9.5 10.8 stl 0.8 0.6 blk 0.4 1.0 ast 2.3 2.4 TS% 55.0% 59.2% PER 17.2 25.0 That's a huge difference.
People should forget about Al Jefferson. Rockets don’t have any intriguing assets that T-wolves really want. They have enough young players so they don’t need to add another one like Jordan Hill. They also have three first-round draft picks this year and draft rights to Rubio and Pekovic (two top European players). If they decide to move Jefferson, they rather trade him for a more established player like Danny Granger. For Ricky Rubio, he is not available. If T-wolves have to give up one of their point guards, it will be either Jonny Flynn who struggled in Rambis’ triangle offense or Ramon Sessions.
How can someone overpay for Bosh? Bosh is most certainly going to get a max contract and almost as certainly Toronto is not going to receive back equal value. Bosh determines who he goes to. The worst case scenario is Toronto is stupid enough to refuse to negotiate with any team and they get nothing in return for Bosh. No team wll overpay for bosh. Toronto has 2 choices get something or get nothing. Now if the something is a big worthless contract or some aging stars then they would wise to turn it down. But if it is some young underpaid players with upside and draft picks plus a expiring to make the salaries match and the team throws in 3 mil to sweeten the pot than expect them to say yes. No one is offering a Young superstar potential player for Bosh. You won't see Durant for Bosh or Deron Williams for Bosh or Brandon Roy for Bosh or Tyreke for Bosh. Nothing like that. At best they might get a Brooks and Jordan Hill for Bosh and Very few teams can match an offer like that. But I don't think the Rockets will give up Jordan Hill and Draft picks and Brooks. They will only give up 2 of those assets plus fillers and maybe cash.
So is the difference between $17M-$21M (Bosh) and $7M - $9M (Scola) or Hill $2.6M - $4.9M (Hill). Six points, 1 rebound, half a block and 4% better shooting is not worth roughly $10M to $15M per year, particularly for a player (Bosh) as fragile as Yao Ming.
I ask you again: is Bosh worth gutting our team and screwing up the team salary structure like T-Mc did? If so, I cordially disagree.
How many points are decided by six points or less? And how is Bosh as fragile as Yao? He averages 72 games per year. You guys could at least back up your arguments?
If it's about good production vs salary ratio, the Rockets should trade Yao fo r Landry. Rubio has 0 production. Jefferson has been a perennial lottery team. He only made it the playoffs once by riding on Pierce's coattails in his rookie year.
Toronto has two choices, sure. But so does Bosh. If he just signs with another team, he leaves a lot of money on the other table if he doesn't get a sign and trade through Toronto. And the other part of this is, say he wants to go to Houston first and other cities second. In order for Bosh to get here, he has to work with Toronto. Sure he could sign with Miami or OKC, but maybe Toronto wouldn't mind trading with Miami or OKC. You have to think OKC or Miami are willing to part with more than we are. I think we would win the "young prospects" war if we offerred Hill and Brooks/Lowry, but we wouldn't want to offer them IMO. Anyways, my point being. It is true that he can "demand a trade" with Houston. And it is true that Toronto would rather get something rather than nothing, so they would trade him rather than let him walk. But both of those statements aren't necessarily true at the same time. He can't bluff a trade with Houston with threats to sign with Miami.
