Toronto is just doing this so teams (like Houston) up their offers. I have no doubt that Morey is trying to lowball here and Toronto wants Morey to feel the pressure so he adds more. Morey can then call Toronto's bluff because there's no way Toronto lets him go for nothing. Toronto can then call Morey's bluff because Houston has no cap space so the only way Bosh can come here is through them. This is all a game.
I know that. I am just wondering why couldnt play the game better? We can add Patterson to the deal or next years draft pick. Whats so hard about doing that for Morey? He has gotten alot from people in the past too. Now he has excess to cash in finally for his big move. I say do it Morey.
I really think Bosh is trying to force the Raptors hand at accepting Deng back in a S&T....that is the holdup....it's a game of chicken...once Toronto accepts the trade, Wade signs on and the rest is history....Boozer most likely goes to Miami and gets rich and we wind up with Brad Miller. I hope this doesnt happen, but it's fairly obvious that Bosh isnt feeling Houston...he wants Chicago (as does his Chicago=based agent). Please let me be wrong!!!
I am feeling you on that but they dont want Deng back real bad. I dont think they move on this but are listening to see if Chicago sweetens the deal. They wont take Deng as long he is part of the offer unless Chicago adds more. His contract is bad and he is injury prone. Plus a veteran. They want younger guys or shorter contracts and Deng makes that out of question. Bosh is pushing it though to them.
We have no idea what Morey has proposed or might be willing to give up,but I'm opposed to giving up too much or giving Bosh the max.
http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/07/bosh_mixes_meetings_and_tweeti.html Jonathan Feigen says in the Comments section of his blog that Toronto appears to have problems with Chicago's SnT proposal (unwilling to take back Luol Deng) but, for some reason, is OK with Miami's SnT proposal. "(As I mentioned in the blog last night and again a few answers ago, I was hearing mixed messages on the sign-and-trade possibilities. Those were not with the Rockets, who have the framework of a deal in place but have not been able to get a formal meeting with Bosh. I was hearing that the Raptors do not want to take on Luol Deng's contract, impacting their talks with the Bulls. There might be more than that, but since the Rockets are largely out of the picture, the media reports about problems in the sign-and-trade negotiations could be about the Raptors' talks with the teams Bosh is considering. -- Jonathan)" and "(Not the Heat. For whatever reason, and I can't explain it, I heard they were OK with the Heat offer. -- Jonathan)" If Bosh wants to go to Miami, I guess he can once he knows Wade stays in Miami.
As much as I want to hate u for saying this. I think u are right. I'm going to officially give up hope so I don't get let down. Brad and a.healthy yao gets us into the.second round so I'm ok with that.
1) Sign-N-Trade Trevor Ariza, Jared Jeffries, & a 2012 first round pick to the Toronto Raptors for Chris Bosh. 2) Sign-N-Trade Luis Scola to the Toronto Raptors for Hedo Turkoglu. 3) Resign Kyle Lowry for 9 million, 3 years. 4) Sign Brad Miller for 5 million, 2 years. 5) Sign Blake Ahearn to a non-guaranteed contract. 6) Waive Alexander Johnson. Houston Rockets: Depth Chart 1) Aaron Brooks / Kyle Lowry / Blake Ahearn 2) Kevin Martin / Chase Budinger / Jermaine Taylor 3) Hedo Turkoglu / Shane Battier / Mike Harris 4) Chris Bosh / Patrick Patterson / Chuck Hayes 5) Yao Ming / Brad Miller / Jordan Hill I think this is very do-able. Taking on Turkoglu's contract would be tough, but if he could return to his Orlando Magic form, he could be a huge award with the risk. Everyone talks about those Kings teams right? This is a better version.
i am pretty sure for whatever reason now? That he is following Wade some odd attachment or fixation. That it has to be with Wade the way they hang out together. I almost believe this trumps an extra 30 million dollars in his pocket and a better team situation more than anything else for some strange reason with this guy. Which is cool because nobody can be all that great to get worth 120 million who follows this logic of thinking and smarts in life. Becasue Wade and Bosh alone in Miami will be behind us in the standing s still wit the type of depth they have. That much i can gurantee they wont win a title with only those two and Beasly.
Why should Bosh get the full max +30 mil and Raptors sign and trade. But Lebron and D Wade DONT? I bet they're saying why does Toronto get to help Bosh get paid, but OUR CLUBS WONT? Why can't D Wade go to the Cavs or Rockets on a Miami sign and trade? Why can't Lebron go to the Bulls or Rockets on a sign and trade? Why don't they all take the same lower pay going to the Knicks? The best thing for them all to come out even is if they all sign the same deal on the same team. I dont know the rules. Can you do a 3 TEAM sign and trade? I dont think so but thatd make your head explode?
I don't mind taking on Hedo contract it help appeal the trade of getting Bosh. Hedo has known and play under Adelman...so i have no doubt he's excited and i do believe he will get back to his form of last year. And he will fit in at the 3rd spot SF PERFECT.
Absolutely, the draft picks are a for sure asset to trade for. Especially 2 of them. As long as you draft decently. (The article I read said "low round" pick, but yeah its more a mid-1st rounder.) This time the actual roster players are better. Scola and Luol Deng are certainly better than Aaron Williams and Eric Williams (if Scola is eligible for a trade). Jordan Hill might be as good already. Alonzo Mourning even didnt play for the Raptors. A trade exception is better than a buyout. Just like when the Rockets traded Pippen for Cato, Walt Williams and a bunch of scrubs, thought it was addition by subtraction you'da figured it was still fresh on the Rockets mind when they approached the next trade. (And even on that, trading for Cato was okay. It was the subsequent OVERPAYING Cato that was bad)
Toronto would be foolish to take Deng; they're better off with the cap space, or keeping their FAs and signing somebody with the MLE. If Toronto's OK S&T'ing with Miami, I'm guessing they'd take Beasley. I wouldn't want him, though.
Of course Toronto's saying this. What else would you expect? They want to drive the price up as much as possible for their franchise player. They wouldn't be doing their jobs well if they didn't say this.
How is them saying they don't want Beasley going to bring the price up? They also don't want Deng, and have been known to want Noah. They simply aren't interested in those players. Driving the price up is saying they won't do a SnT (which we all know isn't true).
I'm not seeing how it is. They don't want Beasley because he's lazy and unmotivated. They don't want Deng because he is getting older, not very efficient, and is injury prone (not to mention his salary). I guess them wanting Noah could be driving up the price, or it could mean "yeah, we aren't trading with you Chicago because you know you aren't giving up Noah". Who knows.
Why would they not want to do a sign and trade? Thats just stupid. Lets just say we offered Jeffries, Battier, Hill, and picks. Jeffries and Battier give them expirings if they want to make a trade later in the season, or to be set up for next free agency. Battier is a great guy to have around for morale and to help the young guys. Hill is first round talent that could replace Bosh. Picks help you build your team back to a contending level. Isn't that better than nothing? I mean, what, do they hate Bosh so much that they'd take nothing to see him get less money? Isn't it a win win all around where they get pieces to build around and Bosh gets more money? Now granted this is probably just leaked for leveraging or something to get people to offer more or something.
