Sorry to belabor this point, but my links show a trend of blatent lies by the Palestinian Authority. The false stories about the celebrations surrounding the 9/11 attacks, the fabricated "massacre" at Jenin, and the false charge that the Israelis forged the baby picture show a disturbing trend. Add this to the fact that the Palestinians teach their children that Israel has tried to poison the water to kill them, I think a reasonable person can infer that none of the Palestinian Authority's press releases should ever be taken at face value. Arafat and his cronies have proven that their word is meaningless.
How's that above what (Suicide) bombers do? SIN, is the word, not just palestinians. Sin of the Human beings. Put some other people at that place, with the same history of blood, we will probably reading similar stories also. How sarcastic that is the place Jesus(or ala) suppose to be born?
Ummmm, that was not your point at all. You repeated a lie of the PA without verifying the information for yourself. Also, those celebrating in the streets were representative of the Palestinian people.
Ummmm, that was not your point at all. You repeated a lie of the PA without verifying the information for yourself. Also, those celebrating in the streets were representative of the Palestinian people. Actually, no. I could care less what the PA says. We all know that all the governments in that region lie more than they tell the trust. I'm going by reports by our own newspapers and Gallup-type Polls that did surveys to gauge actual reactions around the globe as well as specifically within the Arab world. Those polls showed that these people were not representative *at all* of reactions in that part of the world. I'm not sure about the specific instances mentioned in your articles, but the staged rallies I was referring to in my original post were camera shots of hundreds of people out in the streets behind people firing guns into the air who were reported as celebrating the bombings shown on CNN on 9/11 and the few days after. When actually interviewed and researched by AP and Reuters journalists (instead of using video for shock effect), many of them were simply out there to watch the gun-firing people and see what was going on -- they were not involved in the celebrations themselves. Those reports of "thousands of people in the streets celebrating" were false and simply built out of our underlying tendencies to believe the worst about anything Arabs or Palestinians do. The actual in-depth reporting after the initial photos showed that. Pictures can be very deceiving if you don't know the whole story ... THAT was my point.
Ill be laughing at your ass in hell. Yea,nuke thousands of arabs just because bush is to stupid to find one man,osama,makes sense. Newsflash:your idea will backfire,we cant eliminate all arabs off the face of the earth,and if we use one nuke,expect arabs to unite like never before and try for thousands of years to get revenge by using a nuke on houston.I bet your a veteran "kill emall,let god sort them out" I expect all veterans to go to hell.
Forget about my ultimate grief about that part of the world. The leaders there are sooo weakass. Palestinians's, Isareal's, Arabs'.
From an Italian Journalist after the attacks- Trying to find our bearings, my husband and I went into an American-style cafe in the Hamra district, near Rue Verdun, rated as one of the most expensive shopping streets in the world. Here the cognitive dissonance was immediate, and direct. The café's sophisticated clientele was celebrating, laughing, cheering and making jokes, as waiters served hamburgers and Diet Pepsi. Nobody looked shocked, or moved. They were excited, very excited. An hour later, at a little market near the U.S. Embassy, on the outskirts of Beirut, a thrilled shop assistant showed us, using his hands, how the plane had crashed into the twin towers. He, too, was laughing. Once back at the house where we were staying, we started scanning the international channels. Soon came reports of Palestinians celebrating. The BBC reporter in Jerusalem said it was only a tiny minority. Astonished, we asked some moderate Arabs if that was the case. "Nonsense," said one, speaking for many. "Ninety percent of the Arab world believes that Americans got what they deserved." An exaggeration? Rather an understatement. A couple of days later, we headed north to Tripoli, near the Syrian border. On the way, we read that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who donated blood in front of the cameras, was rejecting any suggestion that his people were rejoicing over the terrorist attack. "It was less than 10 children in Jerusalem," he said. Let's be clear here- this is not an indictment of the Palestinian people. I don't believe they have some genetic predisposition to lie or be evil. They live in a de facto dictatorship, where the media is tightly controlled by the PA. I think if we were fed a constant diet of lies about the intentions of the American people, we might cheer the 9/11 terrorist attacks too.
You guys make me sick.Americans are such hypocrits.Theres no difference from a dumb 18 year old going to war,and a 14 year old going to war.They both are dumb enough to do it. America lets 18 year olds go die,plo lets 14 year olds,frankly just because their is a 4 year difference,doesnt make the plo evil for using "kids" while america uses 18 year olds. To me,when I was 18,I was still a kid,and not smart enough to understand every consequence of war. Bias,bias,bias. Frankly,I have more respect for arabs since they are willing to fight war and die for thier cause at age 14(although I disagree with their cause) then american 14 year olds.All the 14 year olds I met in school,they would have never had enough "american pride" to go to war.Drugs,sex,alcohol is all thats on american kids minds.Americans could care less how many sanctions we put on iraq,or how many water facilities we destroyed in iraq,that results in deaths to this day of baby iraqis. Both sides are wrong,and I disagree with both sides,and see no end to this war.You guys feel for bushes speech of :" we must eliminate evil" folks,evil has been around since cain and able.So all of a sudden bush thinks hes god and can eliminate all evil from 6 billion people on earth. Thats the dumbest thing americans have ever been brainwashed over. Listen,some day another timothy mcviegh will blow up a building and every american will assume its arabs and if we dont get any evidence,another war is started just over a building. 3000 died in the wtc,when we start using nukes to fight the jihad,expect millions of americans do die needlessly. I am the only american,that actually wanted to have peace and ask why 9/11 happen,not who do it.China and Russia are not getting terrorist attacks from arabs,only america,we need to ask and find out how we can be friends. Oh,and if bin laden hates us because of israel,then its time to let that little worthless desert get surrounded and destroyed so we can have peace in america.
From an Italian Journalist after the attacks- Interestingly, the title to the article you quoted from is: Whooping It Up: In Beirut, even Christians celebrated the atrocity. The entire article can be found here: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=95001194 Keep in mind that Lebanon (where these journalists were) is a bit of a different story as well. Their history with the U.S. isn't exactly friendly. Here's a forum I found doing a search. I have no idea what it is or its authenticity: http://www.ramallahonline.com/article.php?sid=483 Interesting quote: I think generalization is the gravest injustice. It is not fair to judge all Palestinians by the small footage showing some Palestinians celebrating the tragedy in the US. I also do not justify the celebrations that were carried by children mostly, as it only suggests immaturity. However, it is also wrong to highlight one Palestinian reaction and cover others. The media, dominated by Zionist propaganda, does not mention the fact tha Palestinian students started schools with a moment of silence to mourn American victims, it does not show Palestinian children carrying banners condemning the act, the flowers and candles that were lit, and the fact that many hospitals arranged for blood donation. Yasser Arafat has also donated blood as shown in a picture in Al-Quds newspaper. It is unfortunate that the Western media stays partial in its coverage of Palestinians. The amount of streotyping and Arab/Islamic demonization negate the values of tolerance and equality, that the West claims to have endorsed. Take it for what it's worth. Unfortunately, I had no luck finding the polls and articles I was referring to.
Htownhero, He's wacko. Posted elsewhere about his knowledge of a nuke already in a US city...he'll probably cross the line soon or later and get banned.
Well, I guess we won't agree on my central assertion that the majority of Palestinians cheered the 9/11 attacks. I don't understand your reluctance to admit this, especially since we know the PA lies to its citizens to foment hatred against Israel and the United States. Ramallah online is a PA controlled website in Gaza, so I don't put any credence into what they say for my previously stated reasons. The fact that the writer of the article you excerpted describes our media as being "zionist controlled" should be a clue to his bias. Have a good weekend.
Test (sorry if you thought this was a new post, I just wanted to test something out. Sorry :-( ) --rockit
What a thread. Its good to see our buddies in the ME have such a remarkable since of humour. Now its got me thinking, Maybe ill put on KKK outfit, and send it to the family of the poor man that was drug behind the truck (forgot his name, sorry). I'm sure everyone would get a huge kick out of that. I'm mean, its just a joke........ Anyways, suicide-bomber-baby pictures is to much. I have no idea if they would stoop that low, but thanks for the warning guys.Maybe they are laughing, I hope we are taking notes.
Well, I guess we won't agree on my central assertion that the majority of Palestinians cheered the 9/11 attacks. I don't understand your reluctance to admit this, Primarily because every actual analysis of this say it isn't true. http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/86S27.htm Biased source, but its US-based and the facts involved are from the Gallup Poll... Snippet: Muslims find 9/11 events morally unjustifiable Wednesday, February 27 2002 @ 05:03 PM GMT By Barbara Ferguson WASHINGTON: The Gallup Organization yesterday released its first-ever in-depth research on the Islamic world. During the past two months, researchers conducted one-hour telephone interviews with 10,000 Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, Turkey, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco. The resulting data shows that Muslims around the world have considerable objections with the West in general and specifically with the United States. The Muslims polled expressed strongly unfavorable opinions about the United States and President George Bush. Throughout the survey, the respondents repeatedly described the United States as “ruthless, aggressive, conceited, arrogant, easily provoked and biased.” Despite this negative perception of Westerners, the majority of the residents polled in Islamic countries did not pardon or forgive the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. The vast majority said the events of that tragic day are “morally unjustifiable.” Essentially, they hate us, but still did not approve of 9/11.
Major, I thought I told you to have a good weekend. "Just when I thought that I was out, they pulled me back in". - V. Corleone Your poll represents many Arab states. Since our discussion involved the Palestinians, the Zogby Poll is irrelevant. The only sources you have to back up your argument are controlled by the Palestinian Authority! We both know that the PA constantly bombards its citizens with anti-US images. We both agree that my stance is not prejudicial toward the Palestinian people- only the leadership. In my opinion, you are only parroting the disinformative views of Arafat. Essentially, they hate us, but still did not approve of 9/11. This makes no sense. If they HATE us, why wouldn't they approve of 9/11?
