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Boozer: We (sophomores) will win vs. the Rookies because we have Yao Ming

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Feb 12, 2004.

  1. hooroo

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    Brad Miller & Shaq will get the majority of minutes at centre. This will be good Ming needs to rest it ain't a joyride anymore come next week....
     
  2. Kim

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    You're right.

    KT's stats took off every since the trade last year. He's so productive on my fantasy team, especially since Off Rebs count too.
     
  3. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Carlos Boozer is under-sized at 6'9 and 258 lbs of almost pure muscle? There no visible fat on the guy!

    KT is listed at 6'7 245. That's two inches and 13 lbs of difference.

    Well, who knows. Maybe your arguement holds water. Let's take a look around the West and find out.

    Elton Brand 6'9 265: same height but 7 pounds heavier.

    Zach Randolpn 6'9 270: same height but he's kind of fat.

    Amare Stoudemire 6'10 245: + 1 whole inch but - 13 pounds.

    Troy Murphy 6'11 245: + 2 inches and still -13 pounds.

    Pau Gasol 7'0 240: + 3 inches but - 18 pounds.

    Stromile Swift 6'9 230: same height but -28 pounds. Yes, he's a back up but he plays well at PF and even plays some center in the West.

    Kelvin Cato 6'11 275: Yeah, he's bigger but we all know he's really a center.

    Maurice Taylor 6'9 255: same height - 3 pounds

    Chris Webber 6'10 245: +1 inch - 13 pounds

    Brad Miller: 7'0 261: Finally somebody who beats Boozer in both height and weight. (even though he is only 3 pounds heavier and he's playing out of position at power forward until Webber returns. He's actually a center)

    Tim Duncan: 7'0 260: Again, bigger but this time only two pounds heavier despite his 3 inch height advantage.

    Kevin Garnett: Listed at 6'11 240. so +2 inches (maybe 3 because I think he's 7 foot) and - 18 pounds.

    Nene 6'11 260: +2 inches + 2 pounds.

    Dirk Nowitzki: 7'0 245: +3 inches -13 pounds

    The Utah Jazz situation is interesting:

    1. Andrei Kirilenko 6'9 225
    2. Matt Harpring 6'9 230
    3. Keon Clark 6'11 221

    but my absolute favorite measuring stick!

    Karl Malone 6'9 259: same height and +1 pound. This guy has been the model of what a Power Forward in the West should be for nearly twenty years and he's pretty much the exact same size as Carlos Boozer.


    This leaves a total of 5 Western power forwards that are both taller and heavier than Carlos Boozer, two of whom are Centers playing out of position. (3 if you're one of those people who insists on calling Tim Duncan a center). Also to be noted is the fact that this is only Carlos Boozer's second year in the league. He may not be finished bulking up.

    In conclusion, I am absolutely baffled by the statement that Boozer is under-sized to play in the West. :D
     
  4. LegendZ3

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    Boozer is a under-rated player with great work ethic and a sweet shooting touch, he don't demand the ball alot like KT, I like him, hope the Rockets can get him this offseason
     
  5. HoRockets

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    That's a geat dissection of the facts there jmwilliamson. I personally like Boozer's game and think he would fit fine in the West. But K. Martin may be coming out next season too and I like his game much better.
     
  6. yaopao

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    Boozer might be undersized, but he has a lot more presence inside.
     
  7. Kim

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    Good points on Booze, but he's still better in the LEast, and not as effective in the West.

    14.82 points per game vs the east
    14.29 points per game vs the west

    if you look at his top 3 performances in the west, they'd be 25 points against LAL minus Malone and Kobe, 32 against the no PF Sonics, and 32 against the no PF Jazzholes.

    If those games aren't included, he'd be averaging 11 points per game against the west, which at starters minututes, doesn't do much for me.

    I'll take MoTay's offense over Boozer's East toughness. Other teams respecting you're PF's ability to score is so important to offensive spacing and flow.

    Booze is good no doubt, but the East just makes him look real good, which is what it did to KT.

    By the way, KT still can't finish a driving layup, and he still screams "oh my God" everytime his misses one of those.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    When Thomas was a Rocket, he was the best PF on our roster. He was maturing at a fast rate as a Rocket, and continued in that maturation as a 76er. I don't think it has much to do with the conference.
     
  9. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    Oh I agree Boozer might not be quite so effective in the West (though I thought the same of Brad Miller and boy do I have to eat my words on that one) but it's silly to say he's under-sized and I think he'd still be a very solid power forward here.
     
  10. withmustard

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    i was thinking while watching the cavs game the other night how worthless and dissapointing wagner has been. i thought they could have gotten amare. then i thought they did steal boozer. then i thought who would they keep if they had both. who do you think is better. amare is tougher but boozer has a nice soft touch. who's better
     
  11. Williamson

    Williamson JOSH CHRISTOPHER ONLY FAN

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    I'd rather have Boozer. He seems to be more dedicated, less selfish and less injury prone thus far.
     
  12. dfoolz

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    smart man!
     
  13. topfive

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    We just got rid of Eddie Boozer.
     
  14. farhan007

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    you ming will dominate in the rookie game? isnt that the game were people run up and down, and play no defense, and do all these flashy dunks, and crossover moves, and alley-hoops?
     
  15. SmeggySmeg

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    King James is quoted as saying he wants Boozer to be his PF for his whole career....

    unlikely he will leave Cleveland
     
  16. shawn786

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    Oh but will king james stay w/ the cavs? interesting question, even though i think he will
     
  17. Relativist

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    No way Lebron ever thinks of Cleveland unless management is just completely incompetent. He's playing for his hometown. The only incentive for him to leave is to win a championship farther along and he's got a whole career to attempt to build a championship team with Cleveland. Boozer and free agents on other teams will gladly sign on to play with Lebron.
     
  18. Red Chocolate

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    Wait, don't we have a player named Kelvin Cato already? What am I missing? :D

    (a little dry humor)
     
  19. gotoloveit2

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    Yao will attempt hook shots from the 3 pt land all night. OK?
     
  20. DavidS

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    Awe man, Kim! I thought you were going to baffle me with a huge difference in stats. Like 14ppg vs East and 9ppg vs West... You had me going there. ;)

    First off, Boozer has something that a lot of power forwards don't have: DESIRE to REBOUND! And even if Booz was in the West, there'd still be enough average PF's not named TD, KG, KM, EB....he'd still make an impact against the rest of the pack over the long run. And let me tell you. This guy WANTS THE REBOUND! That's hard to find these days. His tenacity reminds me of Kenyon Martin, except that Booz is better at rebounding.

    The thing that I didn't like about Kenny Thomas was that he was a tweener...that is, neither PF, or SF. Sure, still good enough to stay in the league, but he's never going to be a "near-all" star (like Mobley). Boozer might. You wait...

    Also note that Boozer has 11 RPG!!!!!! That's incredible for a 6'9" guy these days. Another thing that people overlook is the size of Boozers hands. He's got MITS! :D Like Duncan, he goes up and GRABS that ball with his huge hands. He's just got a knack for rebounding. Martin, Boozer and Thomas do have something in common. And that is, they can hit the short jump-shot now and again. So, they are NOT totally devoid of mid-range shooting like Cato.

    Keep an eye on this guy. He's in his SECOND YEAR and already has stats that outclass Thomas. Comparing Thomas to Boozer is like comparing Shandon Anderson to Jimmy Jackson. They are totally a different class a player.

    Jackson/Boozer = A
    Anderson/Thomas = B

    This guy is going to be one of those players everyone calls a "steal in the draft"...like Nick Van Excel, Sam Cassell, and Cutino Mobley. All of them 2nd Round picks but turned out to be "near all-star" players for most of their careers (Sam got in this year!).

    Check out the rebounds column here....I've sorted them:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/b...,FC,C&conference=NBA&year=season_2003&sort=26

    LOL!!! :D Ha ha ha!I thought I was the only one that noticed that. It was sooooo annoying. It was like Kenny Thomas was saying to the refs, "I need to scream like this because if I don't you wont have any sympathy for my game...."

    ;)
     
    #40 DavidS, Feb 13, 2004
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