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Boozer agent resigns amidst controversy

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Saad, Jul 12, 2004.

  1. ArtV

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    If you could get $41 million honestly or $68 million dishonestly - which would you choose?
     
  2. rrj_gamz

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    Damn, those fools get 4%...I need to be JerryM....
     
  3. JuanValdez

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    You mean just how everyone's already forgotten about how Francis forced the Grizzlies to trade him? That issue comes up in every discussion on Francis' career and is often cited as evidence that he's a selfish, immature s.o.b. And, he never even lied in that scandal. This is a black mark that will always cling to Boozer throughout his career.

    Anyway, I think Pelinka comes off looking the worst with his resignation. He had one of three possible roles here, none of which are good:

    (1) He was not at all party to Boozer's negotiations with Utah, in which case he's not doing his job as an agent and is essentially worthless.

    (2) Boozer is lying about the handshake agreement. That means Pelinka, who was at that meeting, knew full well about the promise to the Cavs, engaged in circumventing the cap with that promise, betrayed that promise by negotiating with Utah, and then cut his client loose when things got ugly to save his own ass. He left Boozer holding the bag.

    (3) Boozer is telling the truth that there was no promise. Pelinka would know that there was no promise. But, in resigning, he submarines his client's credibility in the he-said-she-said debate and ruins his reputation forever. He stabbed Boozer in the back.
     
  4. Rocket River

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    The CAVs were trying to cheat the cap
    and paid for it

    I noticed no one is still bashing
    Kevin McHale for the Joe Smith Fiasco

    and they d*mn sure saying how the CAVs
    tried to CHEAT the league with an illegal handshake deal
    to begin with

    My question is.. . Why are none of you mad
    at the CAVS for cheating?

    You anger reminds me of the clones on JIM ROME
    that were mad at the guy from GOODFELLAS for ratting
    out his conspirators. . .
    I mean 3 murdering scumbags were off the street but
    they were mad because he was 'A RAT'??

    Boozer is taking the heat. . but he may have did somehting
    that was dishonest. . but THE CAVS BROKE THE RULES

    yea. . the teenage is wrong for buying beer
    BUT THE STORE SHOULD CATCH SOME OF THE HELL TOO

    Rocket River
     
  5. Mr. Clutch

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    They weren't cheating the cap! :confused:

    They would have paid less if they just picked up the option. Then they could have matched any offer next year. How on earth is that cheating the cap? They were doing it out of loyalty.
     
  6. PhiSlammaJamma

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    Everybody keeps saying people will forget. And they will. But isn't that the point. He'll be forgotten. Is that anyway to live your life. Why not be remembered for all the good you did in your life. Why not be remembered for trust, honor, and loyalty. We come into this world naked and leave it naked. The material possessions aquired inbetween mean nothing in death. Now dying with honor and Loyalty. That lives on forever.
     
  7. peterlake144

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    Evaluating character in the NBA is always relative, and fans will see the worst/or best in a player based on how well they benefit their team.

    For instance, McGrady's parting comments in Orlando about how disrespected he felt that nobody tried to change his mind after he publicly stated he wanted to leave reeks of immaturity and self absorption. That being said, I'm delighted that the Rox were able to pick him up and look forward to enjoying the results of his contributions for the next few years.

    Pippen's refusal to re-enter a playoff game for the Bulls because the final play wasn't called for him seemed like a deal breaker for a lot of people, but his signing by Houston was initially touted by nearly everyone as a great thing for the team.

    Shaq and Kobe regularly made comments in the press over the last few years that were clearly selfish and not for the good of the team, but Laker fans were always to forgive these transgressions because they played so well.

    And K. Malone, probably the best example, is loved by his own fans and teammates and described as hard-nosed and selfless, is alternatively characterized by every one else as dirty, unethical, and a rotten b*stard.

    The bottom line is that player's poor behavior seems less consequential when they help your team, and unforgivable when they play for others. If Boozer plays well for Utah, I'm sure his possible transgression in Ohio will be forgiven immediately.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    Yes, the Cavs were cheating, or attempting to cheat. That's obvious. You neglect to mention that Boozer is a co-conspirator in that cheating. He has to be for them to be cheating at all. So, which is worse: cheating, or cheating and then double-crossing your partners in crime? I suppose there is no honor among thieves.
     
  9. Der Rabbi

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    I would too, but not if I'm already set up for life with 41 mil. How many Hummers do these dudes need?
     
  10. rhadamanthus

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    I concur with both of you. No one is guiltless here for sure, but Boozer sure looks like a backstabbing weasel...
     
  11. RocksMillenium

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    Man this is just getting more and more sleazy! Man I liked Boozer, but money makes you do some stupid ass things. The worst part is that, it's not like Cleveland offered him $2 an hour. If you can be set for life off of 40 million dollars then you're pathetic to begin with. Why toss your integrity in the gutter for a few extra bucks.
     
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    For instance, McGrady's parting comments in Orlando about how disrespected he felt that nobody tried to change his mind after he publicly stated he wanted to leave reeks of immaturity and self absorption.

    You failed to mention how McGrady's comments came after he was trashed by the Orlando Magic organization claiming he wasn't a leader or a superstar.
     
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    You anger reminds me of the clones on JIM ROME
    that were mad at the guy from GOODFELLAS for ratting
    out his conspirators. . .
    I mean 3 murdering scumbags were off the street but
    they were mad because he was 'A RAT'??

    Boozer is taking the heat. . but he may have did somehting
    that was dishonest. . but THE CAVS BROKE THE RULES

    yea. . the teenage is wrong for buying beer
    BUT THE STORE SHOULD CATCH SOME OF THE HELL TOO


    That comparison is weak. So, because we think Boozer is a liar and backstabber we're comparable to callers to a radio show who don't like someone in a movie. . .huh? Bottomline, you can say what you want about us, but Coach K might think what he did was wrong. Agents and NBA officials think he was wrong, other players think what he did was wrong. Are all of those people comparable to the Jim Rome clones who didn't like Goodfellas or something? Because the people on this message board aren't the only ones upset.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    He should take the money, and people will forget.

    No one will care, it will probably change the next CBA so it doesn't happen again.



    The Cavs still can match the offer, all they need is a certain TRADE EXCEPTION that a team like the Rockets has available.

    DD
     
  15. Rocket River

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    Making sure your sons and grandsons have a better life
    and putting your family in the optimal position to succeed

    that lives forever

    do good for you
    to do good for your family
    to do good for your society
    to do good for your world

    Rocket River
     
  16. RocksMillenium

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    Actually, the better comparison is, would you rather take 41 million dollars or stab someone in the back and ruin your reputation for 68 million dollars?
     
  17. Rocket River

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    no . . Boozer is implicated but
    he is getting the hate
    while the Cavs are getting nothing but love

    it was a cheat because they are saying
    that Carlos said he could resign with them
    so they let him out
    but
    THEY COULD NOT MAKE A DEAL . . handshake or otherwise
    until after July 1st [which is the day they had to exercise the
    option or not]
    SO if they had the deal . .they cheated by dealing before the deal date
    if they didn't have a deal . .they are lying on boozer

    Rocket River
     
  18. Rocket River

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    actually the movie was based on a book about the REAL LIFE goodfellas
    the writed of the book [henry something] was actually Ray Liota's character . . .and folx were hating on him BIG TIME

    Rocket RIver
     
  19. RocksMillenium

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    hell Pheonix traded Chuckie brown and didn't even
    have the courtesy to inform him until
    he was IN THE LOCKER ROOM LACING UP HIS SHOES
    FOR A GAME . . . . .EVERYONE IN THE D*MN ROOM KNEW
    except him


    And how many times has a player agreed to a deal with another team as a free agent before talking to the team that they're on? As much as players get screwed around, it works both ways. Isn't Kobe threatening to do the same thing? Didn't Shaq destroy the Orlando Magic organization by walking away to LA without compensation? It happens both ways, that doesn't justify stabbing someone in the back. If a guy beats the crap out of me does that give me free reigns to beat the crap out of every guy I see on the street for the rest of my life, even if they didn't have anything to do with me taking a beating?
     
  20. Rocket River

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    BTW is seems like 27 million

    folx act like that is a Paltry sum
    it is 27 FRICKING MILLION DOLLARS

    and if he DID sign the deal with cleveland. .
    how much LOYALTY would they have shown him
    [cause if orlando would have taken him for tracy McGrady
    his *ss would be in the sun right now]

    BTW . . . how much loyalty did we show Cuttino?
    [he could have gotten MUCH MORE money else where]

    Rocket River
     

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