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Bonzi Wells or Kirk Snyder?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ind0fo0, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. A_3PO

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    The Spurs series was a fluke for Bonzi. He's never done that before. He is NOT an All-Star caliber player. He's a career 12.5/4.5 guy who doesn't do much else besides post people up. Expecting him to magically morph into what he did last year is unrealistic.

    I think his "sentiment" about the Kings comes from his tragic decision to turn down $38MM of guaranteed money. From my memory of reading his comments, that is exactly what he meant.
     
  2. Yetti

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    Both have valuable roles to play when the both round into shape and will play key supporting roles by playoff time.
     
  3. ind0fo0

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    who knows? maybe bonzi is gonna act up being injured until the Kings leave town next week... hasn't he been avoiding them lately? :confused:
     
  4. v3.0

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    Snyder will probably be the odd man out when we are fully healthy, Bonzi is going to be seen as a key player to how far we go in the playoffs. I hope JLIII's minutes are minimized also, that guy doesn't know how to run the offense.

    It pains me to say but we are a major injury away on Rafer to being in serious trouble. yao going down was negated because Mutombo is one the best backup centers in the league, but we have nothing behind Rafer. The Rockets seriously underestimated on JLIII's development, Luther's ballhandling, and VSpan's big mouth. And were they really thinking that Sura had a chance to come back? This backup PG issue could be our undoing in the playoffs, if rafer manages to stay healthy to that point.
     
  5. ind0fo0

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    after watching tonights press conference (from rockets.com), it seems kinda clear that management might be worrying about the Rockets on whether or not they can sustain what they have done without Yao. but regardless, JVG said:

    Only one (kirk or bonzi) will be in the ROTATION. No way he will play both depending on game. So, both you ask? Nope. It is Bonzi OR Kirk in this world.
     
  6. Rollazn

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    My bad... I meant get rid of Bonzi. Keep Snyder. Typing error.
     
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    Only one (Yao or Deki) will be in the ROTATION,that doesn't mean we don't need one of them
     
  8. Ryan02GT

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    I think this is a tough question, i am a big fan of snyder, however Bonzi has been there an performed well in the playoff's before, i think we are in good shape regardless with either one
     
  9. blathersby

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    It depends... Will JVG be able to hang donuts over the rim? Otherwise, I'm gonna have to go with Kirk there.

    I like Bonzi. But the man does NOT produce.
     
  10. akuma

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    very inflexible coach. i can bet that Phil Jackson could definitely find some quality minutes for both. there will be times when Battier could best be used as a starting 4 like against Phoenix. heck, even Bonzi could play a few minutes at PF. he's about the same size, actually heavier than Chuckie, but with more skills although slightly worse rebounding. what the hell's up with an 8 man rotation in the regular season anyway?

    all i know is that it is still yet to be seen if Yao and Juwan can play together effectively. now that i think of it, Bonzi can do just about everything on the court that Juwan can do, but most of them even better. however, i just can't ever see Juwan being in Gundy's doghouse.
     
  11. AstroMech

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    bonzi cant hit a jumper... thats one of juwan's biggest strengths
     
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    I'd rather play a much more active and athletic Snyder.

    Bonzi for Redick.

    Get it done....
     
  13. IC2000

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    please watch a rockets game and then comment



    Shooting- juwan
    post up- juwan
    rebounding - juwan
    defense- juwan
    team D/ rotations- juwan
    bball iq- juwan
    leadership- juwan
    passing- neither really
     
  14. baylorbear09

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    we need kirk and his athleticism and aggressiveness, but i think bonzi gives us the best chance against those who we will face in the playoffs. he can post up any small guard and san antonio has no answer for him. give him some time to get back into the swing of things and fully assert himself into the game and he will be our third leading scorer before you know it.
     
  15. akuma

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    actually, mid-range jumpers (and even the occasional 3-pointer) are a big part of Bonzi's game. recently, his shooting has been pretty bad. anyway, Deke and Juwan (and also Rafer and Luther) are playing way too many minutes. Deke needs to start getting about 10 minutes less and have those minutes given to either Chuckie or Juwan. even if Juwan gets those minutes, he still needs to reduce his overall minutes, which should free up quite a bit of minutes at PF for any combination of Bonzi, Shane or Chuckie.

    i would also like to see a T-Mac and Kirk backcourt at least a few minutes a game. it's not too unreasonable on either end of the court. if Kirk can do a decent job of sticking Wade, then he shouldn't have too much of a problem against the lesser small guards in the league.
     
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    haven't read any posts yet, so excuse me if this has already been said (very unlikely since I usually hold extreme views :D ). I think it would be a big mistake to get rid of one of those 2 players because both are just great for this team. I really dont understand the "either one or the other" mentality! I dont care what u think, Bonzi AND Snyder can contribute to the team and that's all I need to know to keep them in the rotation. I think Bonzi should always have a major role in every game, but I also think that Snyder should get his minutes too. since JVG prefers a rigid consistent rotation, here's how I'd break it down:

    starting guards/SF:
    Rafer-----35 minutes
    Mac------36 minutes
    Battman--28 minutes

    that's a total of 45 minutes for reserves

    bench guards/ forwards:
    Head----10 minutes (5 of Rafer's minutes, Tmac gets the other 7 @ PG)
    Bonzi----20 minutes
    Snyder--15 minutes

    this break down above is just a typical "rotation", there's no way in heck that u can follow that "rotation" every single night simply because matchups play a great role. the distribution of minutes between Batt/Snyder/Bonzi/Head @ the 2 is the area of the greatest dependency on the matchups: if we are playing against, say, Kobe, Battman and Snyder get the most minutes while Head gets minimal minutes and Bonzi plays the 3 more. now if we are playing against, say, Udoka, Bonzi would get the most minutes because he creates matchup problems for the other team and Udoka isn't that tough of a defensive assignment. another important thing is Yao's presence: when Yao is on the court, Head should get more minutes than the others because he is a good shooter who can spread the floor while Yao is taking up space down low, when Yao is out, Head's game generally declines (unlike what we saw today against the Bobcats), and our priority would be an inside-scorer, somebody like Bonzi or Snyder.. now, the guy who should decide on who gets to play and who doesn't would be JVG, and I think he can do a great job IF he gets the mind set of "I will play the guy who contributes to the team the most IN this certain situation". now, if he gives me that B.S about "either one or the other", we will end up trading one of them, and whoever it's gonna be, I am pretty sure it would be a big loss for the team.
     
  17. RocketsMac

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    oh, btw, I forgot to include some PF minutes which Bonzi can play incase we decided to go small in a certain situation where it would be an advantage. I know rebounding becomes a problem here, but I think a lineup of Yao/ Deke, Bonzi, Snyder, Mac, and Alston wouldn't be that bad if we are playing a small team considering the fac that Bonzi, Snyder, and even Tmac are good rebounders (did y'all see Snyder's rebounds today? :eek: )..
     
  18. DonkeyMagic

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    i really dont understand this bonzi v snyder thing. :confused:

    both add their own different skill sets and both have potential to be a huge asset. Having too many good players to play is a problem i pray for as a rocket fan
     
  19. kentcopper

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    I pick Snyder, I think he play better than Bonzi now, more athletic, more disciplinary.
     
  20. BigM

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    since kirk was out for two months and bonzi has yet to put together more than a couple weeks of games, it's in our best interests to keep both.

    kirk is relentless at attacking the basket but i don't think he can create as well for himself and others as bonzi can. this may not mean much when yao gets back but IF bonzi continues to get in shape he's shown decent glimpses of a goto man. kirk is a heck of an athlete but he's not as reliable in the half-court.

    if i had to trade someone it would be bonzi first but i'd rather stick with both and hope that they're mature enough to understand that one of them will have to sit.
     

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