BONZI WELLS: "i didn't come to run a marathon, i came to play basketball"

This is perhaps the first time I will disagree with you. Let us assume Wells is out fo shape- by say 30 lbs! It is impossible to shed that much weight in a season.

No one is suggesting that Wells is right- but we should atleast be open to the possibility that he should work himself into the mix. What better way is to end this debate- than putting wells on the floor and let the chips fall where they may.

IF this is the metric that teams used- Clyde Drexler would never have been playing- I am not suggesting Bonzi is anywhere close to that calibre, but it comes down to people management- there will be the Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest kind of players- players with incredible skills- there should be some person on the coaching staff that pursues a more diplomatic route.

We had 3 - 4th quarter disasters more or less in a row- and if we believe that we should to the best to win for the team, Bonzi deserves a shot- sure bench him if he does not produce. No one can deny that we went into this with eyes wide open- and how motivated will he be come play off time? ( which I think was the primary reason we brought him in)

Sure if Wells complied it would have been the best course- the loser in this case is the team, not Bonzi Wells. I hate to be defending a punk- but not after what we have seen recently- that game against San Antonio was just too much for me!

I just dont think that just because JVG softens up on the Weight issue with Bonzi- Tmac,Battier and Yao will put on 30 pounds or somehow become punks themselves.

What next - will we see JVG bench Juwan because is too old and too slow!

 

This is what Concerns me

at time
it seems. . Winning the JVG WAY is more important than WINNING

Rocket RIver

 

hahaha. LMAO.

Bouncey Whales.

can't stop laughing.

good stuff.

 

same old story, in houston, you have to be a jvg type player before you can be a nba player.

there are around 50% players cannot be a jvg type, so cannot play for houston. francis, swift, da, boki, ...and all rookies

or you do not have to be a nba player as long as you are jvg type, bowen, 40 years ex knicks...

 

JVG needs to stop being so ******* stubborn.

I like JVG but sometimes I hate the way he does things around here. He claims to only put the best combination on the floor but we all know that's bullsh!t. All we can do is pray that his favorite players are our best players. Ever since chuck hayes went down, Jhoward has been clocking a lot of minutes. I'm not saying he sucks, but him and yao on the floor is just pure disaster. No1 give's a fu*k about jhoward, they just ignore him and put extra pressure on Yao. If he had good defense then ok fine, leave him in. If he could rebound then I understand. But man he doesn't Fu*king hustle! He sucks at rotating off the defense, and he can barely get an inch off the ground to even scare the shooters that he runs at 10 secs after they've lick their fingers and shot the ball. He doesn't even CUT when yao gets double teamed. I know I know, he's not capable of cutting b/c he's so slow.

The only time I even notice Jhoward on the floor is when he gets the ball WIDE open and still shoots 35% from the field night in and night out. All I can do is shake my head in disapointment.

And then there's rafer... he's a very good point guard but when he's tired, he won't play defense even if he's guarding a door. I'm not saying vspan is going to miracously get our offense started, but he hussles like crazzzyyy and his defense=jason kidd defense. That night when Ulrich from Sa spurts hit those 3's, it was b/c rafer was tired, rotating late, and barely putting pressure on him. Get the man out and put Vspan in, he'll at least give us REAL good defense.

Bonzi, by now he might not be in MINT condition but i'm sure he's in playable condition. Let him get some f*cking minutes for christ sake, he has real good defense but just b/c he doesn't have the "professionalism" Jhoward has, he doesn't get to play. Let shane guard the 4 and bonzi will do fine guarding the quicker guards. Bonzi's out of shape's talent > Juwon's performance any day.

If JVG wants real defense, i think he should do what i stated above. But that's my opinion so if you disagree, flame away.

 

Sigh..people, read the posts. It's been stated at least 50 times over.

It's not about JVG's ego. It's about the hierarchy of the team.

It's not about Bonzi not being able to perform on the court when he's 30lbs overweight, but of the effort that's expected of him as a professional, as someone PART OF THE TEAM.

It's not about whether he'll win the Spurs game for us, but how the players might respond when he gets a free pass from the coach despite not giving even half his effort.

It's not about stubborness, but about setting the right tone and doing the right thing as the HEAD OF THE TEAM.

 

There is no free rider in this team! JVG has the every God damn right to put any player who is not in shape in his doghouse. First off, we are 6-3, so who cares? If Tmac or Yao keep playing like ****, JVG can and will put them in the doghouse too. Bonzi better work his fat ass off otherwise there is no reason, no reason at all, for JVG to play him.

 

Very well said!

 

As a basketball coach myself, I love Van Gundy. No job is safe with him. If that doesn't motivate a player I question their desire to play.

 

Exactly! Very well said. If a guy won't work to play in the system in the long run he's a liability to the good of a team.

 

JVG wants to WIN- period- a Championship - period

Whatever Bonzi is about will either rise to the top or sink to the bottom.

JVG- has been telling everyone that will listen that TMac needs to attack and become a leader.

He tells it like it is because he isn't interested in whiney babies, he wants to win.

 

55 Wins
2nd Round

This is a Results based Business
If he does not accomplish these two things
I will be more worried
NO EXCUSES

as of now. . . let him do what he do

Rocket River
"There will be time enough to count it . . when the dealings done"

 

We wants to win *HIS WAY* PERIOD . . . there is a difference

Rocket rIver

 

It's not just a matter of being in shape. It's that, coupled with Bonzi's attitude. I think if he just wasn't in shape, JVG would have played him. But he got tired of Bonzi's attitude of "It's just basketball", and the way he kept belittling the effort that's needed to be successful. That's basically the opposite of JVG philosophy as a coach. He just can't give in to a player like that. What kind of signal with that send to the other players?

Bonzi needs to show that he gives a damn before setting foot on the court.

 

That's the idea. The team's healthy, both our 2 stars are improved in their own way, there's some young and intriguing talent here, let JVG do his work, and see what's the outcome.

Of course, had Bonzi been hungry (no pun intended) and really motivated, the results would definitely be much more pronounced, but still, this team has the potential to be very good the way it is, so let's see what happens through the course of 82 games.

 

Character and Chemistry. I'm afraid that Bonzi has a lack of Character and will adversely affect the Chemistry on this team so far this season.

I trust JVG to insert Bonzi when Bonzi straightens out and doesn't screw up this team.

 

I'm not sure what to think about t his whole thing I see a player like Sura working his tail off to get the chance to play one more time. He hustles, good teammate, etc. You root for a guy like that as a fan and appreciates everything he brings to the table even if its not superstar skills.

Then you have Bonzi Wells (as Van Gundier called him Bouncy Whales which i almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read). The guy doesn't care to even sit on the bench and support his teammates, won't workout and could care less if we win or lose. However, we know his talent will help us because he can play ball. I hate rooting for players like that.

If we can trade him and get a nice piece that will fit this team, I'm for it but I don't want to give him up for nothing. TMAC helped recruit this guy so he should call him up or meet with him and talk some sense into him and tell him he is just screwing himself out of a big fat contract for next year.

We know that we only have him for this one year and then he's gone. We should just use him for the 10 cent w**** that he is for this year and get what we can out of him....Trash him after the season is over and he will be somebody else's headache next year....

 

Where did you get the information 'won't work out and could care less if we win or loose' Is this just what you imagine or is there real substance to you statement? Very interested to hear your reply!

 

I agree with that and I can't stand the micro management stuff-- but Grumpy has never given any slack to slackers and I doubt he's going to become the 'kinder, gentler' Grumpy because we need Bonzi's scoring.

When he was hired I was tired of Steve's act and felt we needed the Grumpy effect. I don't think all the negativity is needed and he has backed that off a little... otherwise I like the way he sticks to his guns with expecting all out commitment and effort.

 

Well said. Bonzi acts like he shouldn't have to work out and practice, thus getting into shape. If he doesn't want to practice, he should play baseball.