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Bonds hits 755

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by juicystream, Aug 4, 2007.

  1. WhoMikeJames

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    ESPN2, now.
     
  2. CHI

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    I don't see how anyone can say ARod is a better hitter than Bonds. Better all around player, debateable... but better hitter? no.

    ARod strikes out all the time. Bonds OBP is superior, his HRs per AB is superior. There are no stats that say ARod is a better hitter.

    IMO, Bonds is the greatest all-around player of all time. He is the only member of the 500-500 club or even the 400-400 club. 9 gold gloves... the only thing that Bonds lacks is a strong throwing arm.
     
  3. Icehouse

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    I didn't say that he didn't use IMO. My point is why are we killing this man when we have no idea who used and he hasn't admitted to doing anything? Besides the leaked testimony (which I don't believe has him saying he did use, correct me if I'm wrong), all we have is the same type of speculation that I could make about certain Astros that are loved on this board.
     
  4. IROC it

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    Yes. Basic anatomy physiology will tell you as much.

    Girls are finished growing at 15-18 on average...

    Guys finish growing from 18-22 on average...

    A more physical/athletic lifestyle may result in longer growth (further in life, past the average age bracket) for either...

    Intense training can lead the body into more growth hormone production...

    And yes, my hat and shoe size went up from age 18-34. :rolleyes:

    Why would I be fudging on that?

    Further more, I feel like Bonds was on something... just as he stated... unknowingly <----at least as it pertains to the legality of it all.

    I also believe he quit it... and he did not break down quickly as did some afore mentioned players, which leads me to believe he was in it for the "healing" factor and quicker recovery time and NOT to falsely gain strength or muscle.

    I believe he spent the time in the gym necessary for that. I know other men who've done so...

    A totally roided body will break down quickly, as in weeks and months... versus seasons of baseball.

    I think those that admitted to it, and obviously -who would lie about it? -they have both a)declined rapidly and b)gotten ill, or even c)died.


    I think what some have is a failure to discern "use" from "abuse" -

    Unlike Major's know-it-all attitude and detective-like response to my claim of what steroids are used for... I will say again that steroids are "used" to heal... and to recover... they are medicinal... And when prescribed and used as intended they don't normally have such drastic side effects.

    When "abused" steroids (and many of a non-human intended use) can have such affects as rapid muscular development, etc. And it is this abuse that leads to such rapid deterioration of human tissue/organs/etc... and leads often to a premature death.

    Barry might very well have "used" unknowingly... even knowingly to an extent, for a time. I do not see any evidence however of "abuse" or any long term "use" for that matter.

    Most of the "reason" or "scenarios" given are close to unsubstantiated or non-scientific/medically based.

    Sorry I feel this way... but I do. You might hate that the record is being broken in a tainted era... but that is not just all on Bonds.

    And Bonds is not the scapegoat that many seem to make him out to be.

    That was Canseco... that was Palmeiro... Maybe even Maguire...

    God forbid a lighter skinned person be the guilty party in this day and age. :rolleyes:

    I'm "white" and I'd come faaarrrrrrr closer to believing Mr. Cardinal Big Mac both used and abused then I would believe Barry did anything but what he's already stated himself.
     
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  5. Cannonball

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    Jesus, does ESPN have to show every pitch of every Bonds AB when he doesn't do anything?
     
  6. Cannonball

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    When Bonds was ARod's age, he had a .288 career BA (ARod=.302), 334 HR (500), 993 RBI (1,456), 1,121 Runs (1,459).

    And for their career, Barry has 1 season over 50 HR while ARod has 2. Barry has 8 season of 40+ HR, ARod has already has 7. Barry has 12 season of 100+ RBI, ARod already has 11. Barry has 12 seasons of 100+ Runs Scored, ARod already has 12.

    When you factor in 162 game averages, ARod has better HR (44 v 41), R (127 v 121), and RBI (127 v 109).

    When ARod's career is over, his stats will likely surpass Barry's in most major categories.

    So much for no stats supporting ARod. Oh, and nobody's accusing him of using steroids.
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Nope, that would be Babe Ruth, who prior to being recognized as the best hitter of all time, was pitching 3 games across 2 World Series, giving up 3 ER across 31 innings for a 3-0 record. His much better than average for his era lifetime regular season ERA of 2.28 was huge compared to his Rivera-esque post season ERA of 0.87.

    If he had not had the misfortune of starting off his career with 5 full seasons (many as a pitcher) in the dead ball era, he would have been almost certain to have hit 900+ HRs.
     
  8. Lil Pun

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    Well, Jose Canseco has a surprise for us with his new book.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    but the argument for his pitching prowess propelling him to best player is overrated because just like he started off hitting in the dead ball era, he pitched in the dead ball era.
     
  10. Manny Ramirez

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    Give me a break. Did Bonds ever win 94 games?? Did he ever win 67% of his games?? Did he ever throw 17 shutouts?? Did he ever give up 974 hits in over 1,221 innings pitched?? Did he ever compile a lifetime ERA under 2.30?? Did he ever pitch 29+ scoreless innings in the World Series?? I believe that the answers to all of those questions are a big fat no. Game Over - Babe Ruth is the greatest all-around player in baseball history, not the cheating Barry Bonds.
     
  11. Icehouse

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    Babe Ruth's records shouldn't count. He was using an illegial drug (liquor) for the majority of his playing days. ;)
     
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    I've heard two separate stories of friends and friends of friends meeting Barry in person. One was serving him at a country club. And these are people who don't care about baseball or Bonds one way or another. What did the two stories have in common? He as an absolute a-hole. I didn't give much thought to it, but w/ almost every account of Bonds' lack of respect for fellow human beings I tend to believe it now.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    another anti barry article. how original. did it mention how he's an ahole, that's original also. I also love the part that says he doesn't appreciate what aaron went through. i guess all steroid users don't appreciate aaron, wonderful logic. did it mention how he's an ahole, never heard that before.
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I guess if he wasn't such an A-hole people would be writing different things.

    You reap what you sew.

    DD
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    Yes even more impressive, Ruth dominated the league while on performance hindering substances.
     
  17. pgabriel

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    I wish I could reap millions and a hallowed record.
     
  18. pgabriel

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    that's the hilarious thing, these writers actually think they're protecting the game by trying their best to bring down this guy. my favorite is lupica, he damn near has a stroke and his voice gets incredibly even more girlish when venting his anger on barry.
     
  19. MR. MEOWGI

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    But why do you love to defend assholes?
     
  20. pgabriel

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    I haven't defended you
     

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