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BOKI gets career night, 1 game after National TNT game

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by tinman, Jan 28, 2007.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Ehem !!!!

    Where are you Nick & Cabbage? After the thumping last night and JVG getting outcoached again by the very defense that I was talking about in the above post.

    NOW, you see why I have an issue with JVG.

    DD
     
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  2. Nick

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    The Suns played great, while the Rockets played lousy... the Rockets aren't going to win many games where T-Mac can't hit the jumper (that he normally has made for the last 3 months), or Yao gets blocked repeadetly by Kurt Thomas as he attempts multiple soft layups.

    Right now, I don't think we're good enough to beat a team on pace for 68 wins on their court... especially not when our two best players are having awful games. It kind of reminds me of the 90's Sonics vs. Olajuwon... the only way the Rockets ended up beating them was to get more/better/future HOF players.

    So currently, as is, our two best players must play well to beat any elite teams... we're not that deep, and we don't have other players who can create shots for themselves. The Suns and Mavs re-define depth when they can bring guys like Stackhouse or Barbosa off the bench... and its no secret that those two teams are pushing for the best combined records in one conference in the history of the NBA.

    I have no problems with saying that we're not good enough to beat them when our star players don't have it. You're the one who thinks this team should be top 3 even with all the injuries (which is preposterous), so I'm not going to even try and change your irresponsible expectations that have you screaming bloody murder whenever the Rockets lose a game.

    If T-mac can be a consistent scoring threat, we have a chance to beat the Suns... just like we beat them TWICE at their place two years ago. Last night was the first game that T-mac was healthy/confident enough to play them since we last beat them... and he just flat-out missed a bunch of shots. If he's not going to have a game, we're not going to win... and that's normally the case when your best player (on a team with minimal quality depth) is off.
     
  3. thacabbage

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    LOL. This is hilarious. Now I see why you have an issue with JVG? You really baffle me. We just got beat by what looks to be one of the best offenses in NBA history, and you're putting it on the coach?

    I don't have to do any explaining for your unreasonable expectations. This team is where it is because of its head coach. You for some odd reason seem to think we should be the #1 seed.
     
  4. SamFisher

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    IN a topical note, Nachbar just made the dumbest play in history by fouling a three point shooter at the end of a game to breathe new life into NOK and Lawrence Frank is still yelling at him (the Nets won anyway though so it was ultimately harmless).

    A good first period for BN, he was lights out, then he went cold in the second half and Eddie House heated up. R. Jefferson was also $$$ tonight and looks to be all the way back from injury.
     
  5. jopatmc

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    I can tell you are getting nervous, looking for stuff to dunn boki for when he has a good game. LOL

    Just wait until he gets a good chunk of the MLE and a spot in somebody's rotation next year.

    By the way, did you see him sky for that baseline jam the other night? White boy can zghump.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    I said he had a good first half - he was on fire.

    I don't know if you saw the game, but what I said happened - happened.

    I don't know what I have to be nervous about - he is having a killer month, certainly more than I ever thought he was capable of. Even if he goes 0-the rest of March that much is true.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    I absolutely think we can match up with the Suns if we utilize the skill sets of the players we have instead of trying to pigeon hole them into situations that are untennable.

    As for Boki....he STILL ROCKS !!

    DD
     
  8. tinman

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  9. Dei

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    I do think that JVG is using our roster right. Why? Our roster is assembled for JVG style ball. We have an abundance of slow, unathletic, and undersized players that demand spacing. Players that do not mesh well with the others are benched until they do or are let go. A team can't have a system that only plays well for one guy. I think that was the case with Nachbar, as well. In fact, the whole league has a history of uncapitalized talent that flourished elsewhere in favor of better on court chemistry. Often, underdeveloped young players on championship squads are the ones who suffer that kind of fate. When a team is thinking about a run, consistency is at a premium, and experience brings consistency. Think about Milicic when he was at Detroit.

    Right now, Span's the odd guy out of the system - but he's a rookie. His strengths may be slashing and hacking now, but he might become a better player if he uses JVG's system. Kobe only won a championship when he played the triangle. Development will tell.

    Besides, most losses the Rocket's losses aren't the system's fault, IMO, but the players. Most of our losses came from off nights. The most inconsistent people have been McGrady, Alston, Wells and Head.
     
  10. xiki

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    If this is still a Boki Thread, I saw a lot of his game last nite on League Pass and he was D-League brutal. The consistency just ain't the man's middle name.
     
  11. ivanyy2000

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    I am not sure if you were referring to the fact that he scored a lot of points at the first half and hardly so the second. But that is what happened being a player coming of bench. He was red hot in the first half, but he had to sit through the first 6 minutes starting the 3rd QT because he was RJ's backup and Richard Jefferson played well last night. By the time he was inserted into the game, he's gone cold. Plus he was not consistently getting the touch. Most of the time, the ball has to go through Vince Carter and Jason Kidd.

    Any coach will be satisfied with a guy coming from the bench and give you 12pts in 24 minutes without demanding the ball. As a matter of fact, try to watch more Nets games using League pass. Boki is one of most consistent Nets players for a month or so. During interview, Mark Jackson and Marv Albert often mentioned that Lawrence Frank intentionally kept bringing Boki from bench when RJ was down because he knew Boki wound bring on every given night. They gave Boki high praise almost every game. Not consistent and NBDL worthy? Give me a break.
     
  12. xiki

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    Forget his shot, his floor game was embarrassing. he was consistently in the wrong spot, ill timed fouls, turnovers, just bone head plays. It was one game, and it was as if his attention was far from the hardwood.

    So, yes, IMHO, Boki was brutal last nite. I have seen him look better on other nights, but not last nite. Thus, I utilized the term: inconsistent.
     
  13. ivanyy2000

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    I am not sure about that. He had no turnovers yesterday and only had 3 fouls. One of fouls happened at the last second of the game when Nets already had the game in the bag (starters played the final 6 minutes of the game, Boki was inserted with 40 seconds left for defense purpose because Vince had 5 fouls. Lawrence Frank trusted Boki). It was a stupid fouls no doubt. He clearly wasn't thinking at that time and Lawrence Frank was not happy (they finally laughed it off at the end of the game). But you are saying that as if he was doing that all night. It is unfair to him.
     
  14. ivanyy2000

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    One more thing. I expect Boki's production will drop in the future because RJ is back and he will take a lot of Boki's time and shots. Won't expect he put up 26pts, 29pts games again.

    But I am truly happy to watch this guy's game. He has became a very solid NBA player.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    In the last couple of months Boki is getting 10+ points a game in only 20 minutes.

    We could sure use that production from our bench.

    DD
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Actually we get that from Luther Head.

    We don't need 20 minutes from the backup SF, since his name is Tracy McGrady.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    On some nights Boki could play the PF spot as well, and the 2 guard....depending on matchups.

    Or Tmac and Boki could play the 2 guard and SF at the same time.

    Shades of Gray Sam, shades of gray.

    DD
     
  18. TBar

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    Boki is a more versatile and tall player than Luther. He could provide optioins on matchups. I'm disappointed in Head's defense and guard play other than shooting.
     
  19. TBar

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    I'm happy for Boki- I agree - he is a solid - legit NBA player now. I wonder if his brother is still playing college ball?
     
  20. SamFisher

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    If you're disappointed in Head's defense, Nachbar would send you into therapy.

    it's irrelevant as Nachbar can't play SG anyway. He's an SF. And we are set at that position.
     

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