BOKI gets career night, 1 game after National TNT game

Sorry, I think you're either a liar or you lose your memory from thread to thread, post to post... or... you may just be a knee-jerk poster. Again, it's easy for someone to take both sides of a topic, then come back and say I told you so.

Where's an update to your Stromile Swift's breakout season thread? Still consistent about him being in the wrong system here with the Rockets? Do tell. Hey, was that your knee jerking I just saw?

Yes, and all the while the left side of your mouth was saying that, the right side was saying "Good job CD and JVG" on fixing something that apparently wasn't working. And now, a couple of years after the fact, you act as if you knew all along Boki would succeed and knew all along JVG and CD were wrong in doing that trade. The same way you stated back then that Wesley added "a ton" to our team, yet now you ask what he's been doing lately as if he did nothing for us.

See if you can understand this : you can't say you always believed in someone, but say a trade to get rid of him was good back then but horrible now. Either you believed or didn't really believe.

 

No the main crux is that Boki is a talented loser, there's a reason why Dominique Wilkins and Charles Barkey never won the ring even with all the talent and they even had good teams , some people just don't know what it takes to to win it all.

Boki is not the type of player where a coach revamps his system to accommodate him, he needed to find a niche in it and couldn't, plain and simple.

Didn't we learn in school that the environment can affect the subject in positive or negative ways? Boki is your classic hamster in this case.

And yeah you are the classic case of a revisionist. Actually you remind me of Jerry "Jabba" the Krause. Always wanting to take recognition for every little nugget, whether it was true or not. There are some classic Krause tales and I think you are approaching his status. And yeah he discovered Pippen and Horace Grant, but the guy thought he was the Nostradamus of bball.

 

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comon guys, why not give this one to DD and move on

 

Come on, DaDa. This is silly.

The Hornets were going NOWHERE. Why would they particularly want an aging Jim Jackson? Jim Jackson refused to play for them. They didn't seem all that upset about it. It was all about helping a good character veteran go to a good team, while getting themselves a free look at a guy with potential.

 

BS.

I can give you examples of your opinion about JVG changing, about Rudy changing, about Stro, Dan Langhi, yada yada yada changing. These people did not change. The so-called "empirical data" that you so thoroughly analyze in the case of many of those players and coaches really never changed, but your opinions changed from week to week (if that long) on them.

Uh, yeah. You're looking at a guy that thought Malick Badiane would be a good hustle player for the Rockets' bench. Believe me, your Boki-loving isn't a concern of mine. Your arrogance in acting like your knowledge of basketball is so superior to everyone else and then dodging obvious mistakes to parade yourself as the Oracle of Roundball does bother me. I wish no ill-will for any Rockets player, so I want VSpan to succeed, but I'm also not silly enough to say every scrub that ever had an article written about them is the "next great Rocket". Malick Badiane, notwithstanding...

Why does it bother you when I call you out and give factual quotes from you yourself that you didn't always really believe the trade was as horrible as you do now bother you?

I don't start threads saying if/when I'm right about something because I know I'm the same idiot that will say something wrong and have people blast me for it.... arrogance can be paraded but often justly gets its rewards.

 

I agree that he did not fit into JVG's system.

The difference is that I don't think JVG's system will win a ring. I find it too predictable.

I prefer Popovich's approach where he takes the talents of his players, and molds his system to fit them.

Manu likes to slash and create - no problem.

Tony Parker likes to penetrate and can't shoot the 3 ball - no problem.

Avery Johnson can't shoot the long jumper - no problem.

Bruce Bowen can only shoot the 3 ball - no problem.

Eh, forget it, this is wasting time and server space.

DD

 

Yes your posts are lacking any substance.

Look, DoD, if the data changes, and the players and or coaches are stinking up the joint, of course my opinion is going to change. THAT IS THE DATA I am talking about.

I NEVER said Malick Badiane was the answer, I was curious about his game and whether he COULD be the answer - or even a hustle player, and if you recall, you were going to the summer league games and I engaged you in how he looked, and asked your opinion about him.

I don't think I am some "KNOW it all" guru of basketball, I am just a fan.....the arrogance you are refering to is how you are reading the posts, nothing more. It is MY OPINION...sometimes right, sometimes wrong...

Nothing more.

Because the quote is taken out of context, and does not provide an adequate take on the entire situation. You know...shades of gray..and all.

Yes, I started this thread to talk about Boki a player I like a lot....dang what a horrible thing to do......

WTF ever.

DD

 

You know what? Mavs fans reading this board are loving this.

 

If I recall correctly, they wanted Jim Jackson for Wesley to help mold their young team. Jim Jackson refused to report AFTER the trade.

I think Boki was thrown in for salary purposes. I could be wrong, but that is my recollection of it.

DD

 

Man should have never traded boki. Another player ruined by JVG cause he's euro.

 

Dude, no offense, but that's jumping in and out of the wagon.

 

He will not understand this. Trust me. He cannot understand that his "empirical data" is a farce and another name for "I waffle, spew my misguided opinion, and put my foot in my mouth often".

 

So tell me, what "empirical data" made you think that pre-Houston to post-Houston, Houston's offense or system was the problem?

Go.

 

Sometimes the data changes.

I liked Stro - I was wrong - he clearly has motivational issues, should I continue to like his lackadasical effort?

Of course my OPINION of Stro will change to reflect this....

I liked Langhi - I thought his coming off screens and nailing 15 foot jumpers would work in the NBA, but his lack of physicality hurt him, he was not strong enough mentally or physically to make it.

If the situation changes, opinions do to.

So, DoD, did you like Stro when we signed him for the MLE? HMMMMMM??? Or have you always thought he was an undermotivated player?

DD

 

Your mind is failing you, then.

Think about what you just said -- you opine that they wanted a better influence on their young team, so they traded Wesley, a long-time Hornet, class-act, undrafted, undersized guard from a small school who made it to the NBA despite all that for notorious locker room lawyer, lotto pick flameout Jim Jackson??

Dude, it was about getting a free look at a guy with potential. Notice how he got minutes pretty immediately despite continuing to be the sub 40% shooter he's been before this year.

 

I don't know, why not check the thread I started like an idiot about him breaking out because the Rockets system was wrong... oh wait, that wasn't me. Nobody would care if you're wrong. We're all wrong - I used Malick Badiane as my most blatant error in judgment. It's your arrogant attitude in proclaiming your opinion that strikes a nerve with a few people. And then pass it off a some "empirical data". Get it? Probably not... lol.

 

THe problem is that to him jumping in and out of the wagon is just him revising his stance which later becomes the new iron clad statement that he has said all along. THen he beats you over the head with those iron clad statements ad nauseum.

DaDenial