BOKI gets career night, 1 game after National TNT game

Well, he probably would have gotten a very reasonable deal...a team friendly contract.

And his game showed improvement, but the point was that JVG did not play him.....enough....

Which is my biggest beef with JVG....and yes....I am happy the team is doing ok...

DD

 

JVG saying the system doesn't matter.

WHAT THE **** EVER !!

DD

 

Yeah, we are really regretting trading Boki.

 

He got meaningful minutes in the playoffs in 03. In the other games, he still showed the inability to hit open jump shots (which was crucial since our game-plan was to surround our best player with shooters).

But yet its JVG's fault... playing him more would have somehow led Nachbar to discover how to hit an open jump shot... whatever, man.

Also, WTF is a team friendly contract, and tell me how I can get one... cause I have done just as much on the court as Boki was able to do in his first 4 years in the league.

 

McGrady, the point is that we didn't HAVE to trade him....get it?

DD

 

...and if said system can take a team with Vince Carter and Jason Kidd (and Jefferson) to a sub .500 record, maybe it's not such a bad thing our system didn't fit him.

Edit, from DaDa....

Revisionist, speculative, and probably wrong.

We're talking about the freaking New Orleans Hornets here...they were a team going nowhere. The trade was certainly not about Jackson for them; hell, Jim Jackson REFUSED to play for them. The trade from their perspective was about being able to give a player like Boki, obviously with some talent and potential that goes along with being a top 15 pick, a virtually free look-see for half a season while trading a veteran to a team heading to the playoffs.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't have traded him for Wesley, that's another story...but DoD's already shown that was not your take at the time of the trade.

 

What is a team friendly contract? I don't know, how about around a million a year, or something less than the MLE?

Boki has improved, and he is what, only 26? Come on now.....the guy could be doing it in Houston, SHOULD BE DOING IT IN HOUSTON...but we gave him away because JVG and Boki had issues.

Read the article, Boki has no hard feelings, admits he had to work on some of his deficiences...but also says the sytem did not suit him......well JVG's system didn't...Rudy's was just fine.

DD

 

First fair point in this thread.

DD

 

And the point everybody is trying to make to you is that the dude DESERVED to get kicked to the curb... he was awful.

And because of him finally realizing that he wouldn't make it in the league without legitimate shooting skills (or strength), he has improved.... finally... in year 5. I'm sure the Rockets and Hornets are happy for him, but the only person losing sleep over this is you.

Get it?

 

So... we are really regretting that we didn't have to trade Boki.

Pretty much the same thing.

I don't care how good Boki looks, he's not a winner plain and simple. He will never be part of a winning team, and I will never eat my words for saying this.

 

Exactly... I can't believe a topic about Boki reached almost 300 posts... (probably because half of it is DD's)

 

Rudy's system was more predicated on the post-up = wide open 3's than JVG's system... Boki didn't want to (and wasn't able to) be a spot-up shooter here because his shot SUCKED.

The Rockets needed guys who can hit a wide open shot... with Yao Ming or playmaker McGrady dishing it out to them.

THAT is the game-plan that will lead this team to success... because its predicated on the skills of our best players... if Boki wasn't going to fit that, so be it.

Would you have criticized Rudy because his system didn't fit Scottie Quitten's? Because that was a FAR bigger mis-match/detrimental contract to the franchise than drafting Boki was.

 

Even though it says otherwise, what JVG is basically saying here is that Nachbar is just an undisciplined player that cannot conform to a system built to win. Now he's getting to do it all means that he can just play with wreckless abandon on a crappy team because errors on his part isn't a big deal, they're a crappy team anyways.

 

I think JVG's system is lacking. We need more dives to the basket. Rudy's system was close to JVG's but he had more cutters, and ran more PnR's.....

I think JVG's system is too predictable and easy to defend....

If Yao and Tmac don't go nuts in the playoffs, the Rockets will be first round fodder again, and that is not good enough for a team with this talent.

IMHO.

DD

 

I'll never forget when I first heard about Boki and the 3 point show he put on during his workout and how that was what we thought we were getting. Then, somebody puts a highlight reel on the site and all we see is Boki dunking on people. It would have been nice to have held on to him and let him get to this point because we sure could use a bench guy like him.

 

Uh, you were the guy happy about Rudy getting canned (sorry, let me qualify that... at least at one point you were). You said Rudy was pretty much a pushover and an enabler. It'd be hard to for Rudy to coach him if Rudy wasn't there.

Continue...

 

Thank you !!

This is exactly my point...imagine him cutting to the basket on the baseline or from the top of the key on a passout from Tmac or Yao.

Boki can finish at the rim, something that none of the rest of our team can do...outside of Snyder.

DD

 

Bingo, Boki's game is conducive to crappy teams where players can just inflate their numbers but never affects the bottomline.

The only caveat is maybe the Suns, but they didn't knock on his door when he was a free agent.

 

I admit I questioned whether Rudy was right for a Francis and Mobley dominated team. However, as a developer of talent Rudy was and is hands down better than JVG.

DD

 

What year of Rudy's system are you comparing? 93-94 was about as stagnant as it can get, and 94-95 had an iso for Clyde mixed in. Both years featured players who needed to hit open 3 pointers (Bullard, Elie, Horry, Maxwell, Smith). The Barkley years had a cutting Maloney... but still needed the open 3 galore, and the Francis/Mobely years had isos.

I think your revisionist history is lacking... Rudy's offense was predicated on one thing, and one thing only... the genius of one of the top 5 centers of all-time.

And, T-mac runs FAR more pick and rolls than any other player in the league... its our #1b offensive set.

The Rockets are in a MUCH better position in this year's playoffs compared to 04-05:
1.) depth = no clarence weatherspoon, scott padgett, and ryan bowen-type players playing meaningful minutes

2.) Yao is a better overall scorere/low-post presences. The fronting defense doesn't even exist as a possible neutralization factor anymore.

3.) Better defenders: Battier/Alston/T-mac is a much better defensive perimeter than Sura/Wesley/T-mac.

4.) Better rebounders: Hayes/Deke/Yao is a much better rebounding core than Weatherspoon/Bowen/Deke/weaker Yao.

5.) Bonzi... if he ever sees the court again... more quality depth, and a guy who can get his own shot off.