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boki/billy and novak thought

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cuneo77, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. Carl Herrera

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    The major factor for Boki, in my opinion, is that he's simply a better smarter player now than he was in his first couple years in the league under either Rudy or Jeff-- which you should hope is the case for any young player with enough desire to get better. It's been, what, 2+ years since he left the Rockets? It's been a long time. That other guy Rockets drafted in 2002 also has gotten better in those 2+ years, no?

    "Fitting into the system," I guess, is a factor... but didn't we fans b**** about that other 2002 Rockets draftee being made to "fit JVG's system" and got stuck in the low post instead of use his good jumper and passing ability to play more like, say, Vlade and Brad Miller?

    Boki needed a few years to develop his game, but he wasn't that useful back then, and he was getting impatient. I'm glad he fills a role for NJ now, but he really isn't anyone to cry over... even if we still had him on the roster, I'm not sure he is an upgrade over the rest of our wings-- Tracy, Shane, Head, Bonzi, Snyder.
     
  2. Carl Herrera

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    -- From NY Times


    In other words: I was McGrady back in Slovenia.
     
  3. Luffy1

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    In other words I didn't have a coach that likes to pigeon hole players into roles he sees fits instead of allowing the player to play the way he's played his whole career.
     
  4. hooroo

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    ..or just play basketball.
     
  5. Dr of Dunk

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    I stop where I please Lord Empirical. :D

    Awesome. He took 21 attempts and hit 10 3's. We all know Boki is a 50% 3 point shooter. Look out Ray Allen! Oh and his percentage went down after he left and started getting more minutes. Imagine that. Damn that JVG offense. Can't have it both ways Dakota. lol.

    As usual DaDakota's "empirical data" (lol... that still gets me chuckling) doesn't know how to project minutes, data, and bench player time. It was 0.31 turnovers in 12-13 minutes against mostly scrub play. That's about 1 turnover a game. What I said was that he couldn't DRIVE the ball without turning the ball over OR missing layups. I already know it's hard for you to do math, but damn, can you not read, either? The point was, the guy could not do right on his shot when it came to driving the ball - one of two things almost always happened : he either bricked the layup or turned the ball over. Hello, ya think that could explain his 2 pt. shooting %age. Pay attention Spanky.
     
  6. tsunami

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    How did you get this conclusion? Where was your logic here?
     
  7. Luffy1

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    He's a JVG lover. The quote was a shot at vspan.
     
  8. Major

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    Yup. I wish we had a coach that just let the players run around and do whatever they want instead of asking them to play certain roles in a team-based philosophy. Then we'd have a bunch of happy role players and a losing record. (Kinda like New Jersey) That would be awesome.
     
  9. Luffy1

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    Yup..we sure had a winning record last year didn't we?
     
  10. Major

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    I didn't realize NBA teams lacking their top 2 players were supposed to be good. My bad.

    I wish we had a coach that would build offensive systems around V-Span and Boki and make Yao and McGrady fit it into it. Happy role players should be the goal!
     
  11. Luffy1

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    I see you are still missing the point. Role players can still be role players while being allowed to play to their strenghts.
     
  12. Dr of Dunk

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    We kinda had a coach that did that ... his name was Rudy and his players were Francis and Mobley. I think these guys didn't like Rudy's style of play much either. But who knows.... that could've been after a loss. No telling what they thought after a win. ;)
     
  13. Major

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    Role players in a system predicated around double-teams (especially involving the slowest superstar in the league) require that players can shoot spot-up 3 pointer. If they can't, said roleplayer is worthless because the opponent can double-team off that player without worry, which takes away the whole effectiveness of the superstar being double-teamed.

    The only way to argue that a guy who can't consistently shoot from outside in a system based around Yao and McGrady should play more is to suggest the system shouldn't be based around Yao and McGrady.
     
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    With all this love for Nachbar, how about trading Head to Nachbar straight up? Or Bonzi to Nachbar?
     
  15. Major

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    Notice that the role players on the Spurs in their championship years all could shoot from the outside - Horry, Barry, Bowen, etc. The Lakers role players were the same - Fox, Fisher, George, Horry, etc. Same with Miami's last year - Payton, Williams, Walker, etc.

    There's a pattern there. All of those teams are built around superstars commanding a double-team, and all their role players are good to great outside shooters, in some cases with few other skills.
     
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    Boki only 1pt so far tonight against the Spurs after 3 quarters. Guess he is back to his inconsistent self.
     
  17. Mordo

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    Boki missed 5 of 6 shots and scored 5 pts.

    He is back to normal, even thouh he did slightly underperform his career average by 0.9 pts.

    His career average is 5.9 pts/g.
     
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  18. Amel

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    it would not make sense

    under JVG he still would play a different position, have a different job on the court

    it's like making Yao play PG
     
  19. Verbatim

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    Short memories for all you who wish Boki is still with us. He was NOT playing well, even after 2 plus years with us. We ALL wished he was better but it was a wish unfulfilled. He got dumped. Now he has a good game against the team that "didn't play him right", good for him.

    The more important question is: Vspan and Novak. Is this the future for them? Will they need to be moved for them to get better? Vspan will get another year to try. Novak is looking like a bust right now. A 3pt specialist who can't hit his shots is NOT a good thing. Since he is not a good defender (that's saying it mildly). Then I just don't see him doing well UNLESS he gets his act together. He needs to bulk up 25 lbs and fight for that PF spot. He is not fast enough for the SF spot A PF with his 3pt range would be nice. Battier was tried there but he is not strong enough to play there.
     
  20. Blake

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    Yo Luffy-

    Rudy never really played him. Guess he was a bad coach, too?


    I love how some of you b**** and moan and then when people argue the opposite sides with facts (IE Luther and Chuck last season, Yao in general), you just ignore it and never post a rebuttal
     

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