the best defender in the nba? ha... he may be our best defender but def not the best in the nba, ie bell, bowen. boki may be having a breakout year but they didn't run a play for him until later in the 2nd qtr, after he already torched our 2nd unit when we left him wide open on numerous occassions because we were focused on stopping carter and kidd.
The vast majority of his points came against McGrady, Battier, and Hayes, hardly torching our 2nd unit. And Battier is hands down the best defender in the league. Kobe would tell you that.
which is why when you take out 1/11, our team pretty much sucks. with them, everybody else has the potential to look good.... do you think boki can go off if carter and kidd weren't in the lineup and the defense is focused on boki? odds are not in his favor.
mcgrady tends to sag off his man quite a bit on defense, he usually doesn't guard the two best players on the other team. so you are telling me he was wide open numerous times in the 2nd qtr because...? i dont believe battier has ever won any def awards or any all def teams either
Boki didnt make the crappy NOK team either. It's not like we passed a talent. He is still an 8pt guy playing as a sub in Net's rotation. That is not a achievement for a 15th pick.
I saw RJ and Boki at the galleria 3 days ago going to louis vuitton.. i shoulda took a pipe to his knees if i had known he was going to do this....
What are you trying to argue? That Boki is not NJ's first option? No one says he is. He is their 4th option coming off the bench. And he scored 29 points on 14 shots. That damn efficient offense if you ask me. Oh yeah, did I mentioned he also grab 7 rebounds in 27 minutes? NJ has their big two in Carter and Kidd. They are not depending on him to win games, just like we have our big two in Yao and McGrady. All the other guys are role players. Do you want a role player SF off the bench who gives you 9 pt, 3 rb a game on 39% 3pt shooting (that's for the season, his numbers are much higher than that in the last few weeks) and occasionally gives you a 20+ point games here and there? That's better than Bonzi and Snyder.
Exactly. Subpar players can look good on subpar teams. If Yao played for the Nets he'd be averaging 35 ppg and losing every night. Stats don't mean sh_t.
Yeah, but anyone can score 9pt, 3rb off the bench given the right system. It has little to do with the player. I don't see how you can say it's impossible for Bonzi or Snyder to do exactly that with our team given the proper circumstances. We don't need Boki.
Lol if Yao was averaging 35 points on the nets, they would be first in the east and be in the nba finals.
jopatmc, my impression watching the game was that Boki was pretty damned open for most of his shots. I give him props for making them, though. Too bad the deadline is passed... we have the obligatory "let's trade for the guy who just lit us up!" thread.
I just wanted to give you guys my opinion on Boki. I know him and have been around him long enough to know that this guy is a very competitive person. He does not like to lose. I think this guy will be in the league for a long time.
Well, I didn't mean you were nuts. lol. I understand what you're saying. And yes, a lot of his points probably came when we were more worried about their "stars" going off. But when you think about it, that's the role of a role player... get an open shot/opportunity - drain it. It's what he could not do here. It's what VSpan has not done here. It's what Novak has not done here. It's what we can't wait for them to do while we try to go deep in the playoffs and hopefully win a ring.
I see, so its all JVG's fault again huh? Well, he actually averaged around 12 minutes a game in the 03-04 and 04-05 season for the Rockets...so he actually DID get playing time. In the later part of the 04-05 season when he played with NO he averaged 20 minutes a game, but only 8 ppg, 2.8 rebounds, and 1.2 assists and turnovers. In 05-06 his numbers went down in NO before he was traded to NJ where he only played 8 minutes a game (LESS then when he was with the Rockets and JVG). So now we're in his 5th season and he has finally started playing well...but again, that's only recently, his averages for the season are still fairly low - 8 ppg, 3 rebounds per game, .8 assists in 20 minutes. So I guess Rudy (who was his first coach - that season he actually only saw 5 minutes a game in the 14 games he played), JVG, the Hornets and the Nets, until recently, ALL contributed to his "slow development." You need to tone down you blind hatred of JVG and look at all the facts.
Exactly. Role players role is to hit the open shot when the defense is focusing on your stars. That's what Boki did. That what we want our role players to do. Glad to see DoD so active posting lately.
Hooray for Rafer.... Boki did have a great game last night. I don't understand the desperate thirsts for him on the Rockets again though -- he would still be behind T-Mac, Battier, and Bonzi for playing time (aka on the bench) if he were here today. If you guys like him, then just be happy he's found a team where he can contribute (like me), because he would still be wasting over here. It's like crying over Azubuike.
Considering what he did to Malone its obvious Boki's got a huge competitve streak. I liked Boki and am glad to see him doing well but I gotta agree with the posters that say that Boki probably couldn't have done well here. JVG is a system coach and players like Boki and V-Span don't seem to fit with his system. It seems to me like the Euro players do better in a more wide open offense. Its probably ended up being better for Boki and the Rockets that Boki ended up playing somewhere else.
I suppose all you guys that are pointing to Boki's NO experience as reason why he is a scrub do then understand why Snyder is not in the rotation, don't you???????? LOL
Battier has never been voted to the NBAs 1st or 2nd All Defensive teams. He is no way near the best defensive player in the league. He's a good help defender no doubt but he doesn't have the athletic gifts to be the best defender anywhere. As far as Boki, let it go, he's gone. I wonder why no one has brought up Tyronn Lue. We traded him for JB who is no longer in the league while Lue is still a productive NBA player and having a better year than Boki. 06-07 ATL 37 10 26.4 .411 .344 .867 0.2 1.6 1.8 3.0 0.5 0.0 1.43 1.90 11.4
