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boki/billy and novak thought

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cuneo77, Mar 10, 2007.

  1. xiki

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    After Houston, Boki blew out of 'nets before sticking as a rarely used Net. It took an RJ surgery for Boki to get off the pine for more than 5-7 mpg.

    IMHO it took the reality of rejection rejection rejection for Nachbar to develop an NBA mentality. Last night seemed to be a real 'chip' game for him. It's up to him to see if he can now launch his career. He has one more year then becomes an UFA. Let's see if he can earn a long term deal with Nets or some other squad.
     
  2. Pocket Rockets

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    its easy to look good in a blowout loss....especially when our defense lets up a little...granted 17 of his points came in the 2nd qtr....just bad rotation on our part.

    lets see him do this in a close game
     
  3. Amel

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    wow

    that was not the case last night

    I am not sure if you watched the same game everyone else did..
     
  4. mag

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    When you play under JVG and are trying to break into the rotation, you better don't miss anything because he will put you at the end of the bench again.
    If you are an established player (i.e. Rafer Aston), you can play terrible night in and night out and you will have your job safe.
    JVG just does not give new players a chance to develop. That is his main flaw as a coach.
    I think all new players are too consient of that and can not just play their game.
     
  5. nocore

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    Rudy did not play Boki. He played the players that gave him the best chance to win, as any coach would.
    <pre>
    Year Coach G GM
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    03-04 Rudy 14 5.5
    04-05 JVG 45 11.5
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    </pre>
     
  6. nocore

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    who is more established, Luther Head or Derek Anderson? Chuck Hayes or Stomile Swift?
     
  7. Pocket Rockets

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    so you are telling me boki is that great against the best defense in the league?

    hardly...our defense let up on him because we were focused on kidd and carter most of the game.
    the majority of our scheme is to let their offense get to their 3rd or 4th options, and once in a while, their 3rd or 4th option can go off.

    the majority of his points came off of passes, thus being the latter option in the offense after kidd and carter
     
  8. jopatmc

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    Yeah but,

    Van Gundy moved Battier over on to Boki when Boki got hot. In fact, after Boki got off in the 2nd quarter, Battier pretty much shadowed him the rest of the game.
     
  9. Dr of Dunk

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    Well, now, let's not get crazy. Boki was lighting up the first team defense for a period or so before I think TMac & Battier started covering him on at least half the plays (I could be wrong). Some of Boki's final points came against us when I don't think anybody really gave a flip and you can credit some of his points to the fact that we were probably more worried about RJ, Kidd, and VC. But he definitely lit us up, and it wasn't against just scrub players.
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Who was defending him most of the first half? I know I saw Hayes on him a couple of times. TMac left him open a few times, too, to go back and help defend against Kidd's penetration and VC.
     
  11. OGKashMoney

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    I for one have no regrets of trading the guy. When we brought in Wesley, JB, and the rest of the team just started clicking we had a fun and exciting year. As a GM, coach, or owner, you have to take risks and make trades. But you can't look at the trade every time a guy goes off.

    I'll bet most of these people weren't weeping for Boki when we were up 2-0 on the Mavs in the playoffs.... God some of you guys just don't get it....
     
  12. jopatmc

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    Nobody was really defending him until he got up to about 10-12 points in the 2nd quarter. They were sloughing off, and letting him have the shot. Then Van Gundy moved Battier over on him.
     
  13. Pocket Rockets

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    exactly, thank you, after he got hot!
     
  14. jopatmc

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    Uhhhh, he still scored even with the best defender in the NBA guarding him.
     
  15. Patience

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    Yeah really sad to see those guys on the bench while the first team is blowing the Nets out by 30 points.
     
  16. Pocket Rockets

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    crazy? lol

    anyways, he went off for 17 in the 2nd qtr...usually thats when head, howard, mutombo are in the game for the majority of the minutes, so that isn't our 1st team defense. tmac came out about 2 minutes after the 2nd qtr started, battier was already out until when yao came in i believe...

    once again most of his points came off of rotation, thus being the latter part of the offensive set.
     
  17. Patience

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    Boki got tossed aside for David Wesley, an important contributor to a 51-win playoff team.
     
  18. jopatmc

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    Yeah, which is precisely where basically all of our team's points come from once you get past 111.
     
  19. Patience

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    Good point. I think JVG's preference for certain players has more to do with attitude, ability, and skill-set than it does with age.
     
  20. RiceDaddy7

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    This guy's comments are exactly right. The rest of y'all are idiots. During the time he was here Nachbar wasn't working hard, he didn't do anything to indicate he deserved playing time. The Nachbar we saw last night is an entirely different person. Had he still been in a Rockets uniform, we'd still be seeing the same old scrub.

    BTW, Van Gundy does give young players a chance. Are you forgetting Chuck Hayes and Luther Head ( and even John Lucas III? )? It's not whether or not he gives players chances, it's their attitude about it. Van Gundy runs a very tight ship, he expects a certain combination of hustle, brains, and savvy. People get too excited about V-Span because of his talent, but the guy rubs across as having a very huge ego. If he showed he was more of a team player and willing to do what the coach wants, you might see Span get more mintues in the roatation. This whole thing about Van Gundy being unfair to new players is bullsh_t. JVG is a very good coach and I like him exactly because he doesn't let the players dictate what he should do. I bet if McGrady threw a juvunile fit, he'd be benched in the doghouse like any other player. Rudy used to let that stuff slide. It's why I like JVG more.
     

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