I'm on AOL instant messenger at: PhiJamma I'm new at AOL instant messenger, but I think I've got the hang it.
I can care less when the draft starts,I know who I want and who some of my sleepers are already,just as long as no one else tears or breaks anything!!! KT sleeper of the year!?!
Finn, I just took a look at the rules. How does the scoring for rebounds work? 2 pts per rebound? Also, why only 1 point per 2 pointer made? We need at least 1 point per point scored. Also, you should eliminate the ejection penalty because when someone gets 2 techs(2 penalties) they'd immediately get a third penalty for being ejected. Did we have penalty's for personal fouls last season? I'm just wondering why all of the changes. I really liked the scoring system we had. These changes could really change the face of the game for us.
Ok Pimp, let me explain. For every 2-pt FG you get 1 point and for every 3-pt FG you get 2, plus you get 1 point for every point scored. That is exactly how sandbox was last year. 2 points for rebounds is also just like last season. And I am almost positive (someone can back me up here) there was a -1 penalty for every foul commited last year as well. I am trying to make the scoring system exactly like last season. As the years go by my disk (brain) loses more and more space for memory So if anyone notices a discrepency compared to last years scoring, please let me know, I will gladly fix it. Good point about the ejection penalty, I will delete that.
Finn, thanks for the breakdown. My memory is a bit "lacking" as well, but I think you've got everything covered. BTW, thanks for setting this up! You're doing a great job.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about the -1 penalty for fouls. I believe there was a -2 penalty for each technical foul and a -1 penalty per turnover, but I don't remember anything for regular fouls.
I asked the people in the sandbox forum about the old scoring system. Here is the consensus: ----------------------------------------------------------------- I am almost positive these are correct. 1 pt for each pt scored 2 pts for rebounds, assists, blocks, steals 1 extra point per 3-pointer scored FG shooting (min 6 shots) was: 90-100 % = 4 pts 80-90 = 3 70-80 = 2 60-50 = 1 FT shooting (min 4 shots) 100% = 4pts 99-90 = 3 89-80 = 2 79-70 = 1 minus 3 pts for each technical foul minus 1 for each turnover No penalty for regular fouls.
What other options do they have? Losing that point option could really affect how much some players score.
I emailed CBS to see if they could add the FG% and FT% scoring to our league. Will post when I recieve an answer.
Here is the current scoring system snipped from our league's site: Turnovers -1 Steals 2 Points 1 Missed Free Throws -1 Three Pointers Made 3 Total Rebounds 2 Assists 2 Free Throws Made 1 Technical Fouls -3 Blocks 2 Two Pointers Made 1 There are a couple of discrepencies when comparing this with the Sandbox system. (i) Under this system, three-pointers are worth 6 points each (1 pt for each point scored plus a 3 pt bonus for three pointers made, 3+3=6). Under Sandbox, they were worth 4 points each (1 pt for each point scored plus a 1 pt bonus for three pointers made, 3+1=4). If we stick with the new format, this will make players like Ray Allen and Allan Houston dramatically more valuable. (ii) Under Sandbox, there was no extra bonus for two-pointers made. Instead, there was a point bonus ranging from 1-4 depending on FG%. This new system has a 1 point bonus for 2-pointers made. This will make high scorers like Jerry Stackhouse and Vince Carter dramatically more valuable. Players like Mutombo and Jason Kidd, who rely more on assists and rebounds, will be less important. (iii) Under Sandbox, there was no penalty for missed free-throws. Instead, there was a point bonus ranging from 1-4 depending on FT%. The new -1 penalty for missed free-throws makes players like Shaq and Dale Davis a lot less valuable. It also makes players like Glen Rice and Reggie Miller much more valuable, since they rarely ever miss free throws. Because it is impossible to implement the FG% and FT% bonuses as used in Sandbox, we cannot copy their scoring system with 100% accuracy. However, it can be argued that the FT% and FG% bonuses are unimportant anyway because they are only worth 1-4 and 1-4 extra fantasy points anyway. Basically, with the new changes currently in place, the system heavily favors scorers, specifically, good 3-point shooters and good free throw shooters. To make it exactly like sandbox (minus the FG% & FT% stuff) we must: (i) omit the +1 pt 2-pointer bonus, (ii) omit the -1 pt missed free throw penalty, (iii) make the three-pointer pt bonus worth +1 extra pt instead of +3 extra pts. To make up for the absence of the FG% & FT% bonuses, I think that we should implement bonuses for triple-doubles and/or double-doubles as was suggested before. A +3 bonus for triple-doubles and a +1 bonus for double-doubles seems good to me.
fade, there is no way to offer a bonus point to a 3-pt score alone. The +1 for points applies to all points, there is no way to have it apply to one or the other. The reason for the -1 for missed freethrow is to offer a balance between a FG (which also recieves +1) and a FT (also +1) Should a FG and FT be of the same value? What can be done to rectify it is, do away with the 1 point given to a FT, it will be awarded in the points anyway. Thus no need for the -1 for missed FT. Good point on the 3 pt equaling 6. What was I thinking? I will adjust that to 2 points for a 3pointer, which will equal 4. A FG will have to account for 2 (1 for each FG and 1 for each point) there is no way around that. One feature they do have is Missed FG's and Missed 3pt attempts. This could reduce the value of a player who takes lots of shots to score a lot of points if we were to penalize -1.
Now I'm totally confused. But isn't that what the "Three Pointers Made" stat is all about? The reason for the -1 for missed freethrow is to offer a balance between a FG (which also recieves +1) and a FT (also +1) Should a FG and FT be of the same value? FGs made and FTs made weren't considered in sandbox; only points were taken into account. A person who shot 30 free throws would get the same # of fantasy points as the person who made 15 field goals because they scored the same number of points (30). I will adjust that to 2 points for a 3pointer, which will equal 4. A FG will have to account for 2 (1 for each FG and 1 for each point) there is no way around that. If you get 1 fantasy point per point scored, then shouldn't it be +1 point for a 3pointer? (1 point for each of the 3 points, plus the 1 point bonus). Wouldn't a 2 point bonus give you 5 points total? One feature they do have is Missed FG's and Missed 3pt attempts. This could reduce the value of a player who takes lots of shots to score a lot of points if we were to penalize -1. I would rather have the double-double and triple-double stuff instead of messing around with missed FGs and missed 3pt attempts, but that's just me.
Upon further review... Not anything like sandbox is it? Ok here is the upsated version: Assists 2 Total Rebounds 2 Technical Fouls -3 Turnovers -1 Blocks 2 Three Pointers Made 1 Points 1 Steals 2
So Bob, have we set a time for this weekend? I'll be working days, and available all day (that doesn't sound right...I love my job!), but my nights are booked. Friday night I can check in from time to time, but Saturday night I'll be out all night.
