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[Blue Gonna Blue] Daniel Holtzclaw, Former Oklahoma City Cop, Found Guilty of Rape

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This is actually impressive given that the victims were black, addicts and/or prostitutes. NYC is always letting rapey cops walk but I guess they don't play that way in OK.

Daniel Holtzclaw: former Oklahoma City police officer guilty of rape
Jury finds Holtzclaw guilty of 18 counts of rape and sexual assaults against women after 45 hours of deliberations

The women were teenagers and grandmothers. Most were living on the margins. All of them were black. And during a month-long trial that became a symbol of police predation, they formed a bleak parade of 13 witnesses who accused a former Oklahoma City officer of using his badge to coerce sex acts and rape.

On Thursday, after 45 hours of deliberation, a jury convicted Daniel Holtzclaw, 29, on five counts of rape and 13 other counts of sexual assault, including six of sexual battery, against eight of the women.

The convictions included four for first-degree rape, which carries a possible sentence of life in prison. He will appear in court on 21 January for sentencing.

Holtzclaw was cleared of a further 18 of the 36 charges he faced, including rape, sexual battery, burglary, indecent exposure and stalking.

His conviction is likely to be viewed as a key moment of accountability for law enforcement officers who abuse their position: out of the hundreds of police officers terminated for sexual abuse in recent years, only a small number faced criminal charges and even fewer were convicted. And black women are especially liable to be their targets.

Still, the case did not attract the level of attention that activists and media outlets have paid to other accusations of rape or police abuse. Some racial justice activists were frustrated that the trial did not generate the same coverage as police-involved shootings that have killed black men. At the start of the trial, in early November, local activists were surprised to find the courtroom empty of the women’s groups that have supported accusers in other rape trials. And major networks carried little to no coverage of the trial or its outcome.

Many attributed the low visibility of the case to the profile of the victims: vulnerable women of color with troubled histories. Holtzclaw, police investigators found, methodically targeted black women with criminal records or a history of drug use or sex work. For all but one of his targets, the former officer used his position on the force to run background checks for outstanding warrants or other means by which to coerce sex.

An advocate who watched the trial unfold said the allegations fit a familiar pattern. “Officers count on no one believing the victim if she reports,” said Diane Wetendorf, who runs a counseling group in Chicago for women who are victims of police abuse. “And [they] know that the word of a woman of color is likely to be worth even less than the word of a white woman to those who matter in the criminal justice system.”

Indeed, Holtzclaw’s choice of victims laid the groundwork for an aggressive defense. His attorney, Scott Adams, aggressively questioned his accusers about their mar1juana use, drinking, thefts, and suspended driver’s licenses in an attempt to undermine their credibility.

In court and in pretrial testimony, however, the 13 accusers told broadly consistent stories about how Holtzclaw isolated them, assaulted them, and terrorized them into silence.

One woman accused Holtzclaw of driving her to a field, raping her in the back of his squad car, and leaving her there. “There was nothing that I could do,” she testified. “He was a police officer and I was a woman.”

Another of his victims, a 17-year-old girl, testified that Holtzclaw raped her on her mother’s front porch. She said he threatened her with an outstanding warrant for trespassing. “What am I going to do?” she asked. “Call the cops? He was a cop.”

Another woman said the former officer forced her to perform oral sex while she was under the influence of drugs and handcuffed to a hospital bed. Holtzclaw, the woman testified, implied that he could have her charges dropped in return. “I didn’t think that no one would believe me,” the woman testified in a pre-trial hearing. “I feel like all police will work together.”

Holtzclaw’s crimes took place over seven months in 2013 and 2014 while he worked the 4pm to 2am patrol. Oklahoma City law enforcement arrested Holtzclaw on 18 June 2014. The previous night, he had pulled over a 57-year-old daycare worker and molesting her during the traffic stop. Holtzclaw then ordered her to perform oral sex, his gun in plain view, she has testified.

The woman made an immediate report to the Oklahoma City sex crimes division. Detectives arrested Holtzclaw in the afternoon. Before long, the investigative team connected Holtzclaw with other reports of sexual abuse against unnamed officers. GPS evidence from his patrol car also linked Holtzclaw to the alleged crimes.

Holtzclaw was fired from the force in January 2015.

“The Oklahoma City police department is pleased with the jury’s decision,” the law enforcement agency said in a statement on Thursday night. “We are proud of our detectives and prosecutors for a job well done … [We] firmly believe justice was served.”

During the trial, Holtzclaw did not contest that he encountered the women, but he maintained his innocence. He had a dedicated contingent of online supporters using the hashtag #FreeTheClaw. The defense called just one witness, a former girlfriend of Holtzclaw’s who testified he never exhibited sexually aggressive or inappropriate behavior around her.

The verdict will surprise advocates who were steeling themselves for an acquittal.

Legal experts noted that Holtzclaw’s defense harnessed powerful stereotypes about rape victims. His attorney noted that his accusers waited months to report his crimes and that they were not “perfect victims” or “perfect accusers”. The case unfolded before an all-white jury. (Court documents indicate Holtzclaw is Asian or Pacific Islander.)

“These cases are so difficult to prosecute because the defense attorneys go after the victims’ credibility in court,” said Wetendorf. “In my experience working with victims of police abuse, officers do target vulnerable women, particularly drug addicts, alcoholics and prostitutes.

“They are confident that ‘no one will believe’ these victims. Where women of color are available as targets, they are even easier prey.”

Rachel Anspach, of the African American Policy Forum, considered it a a sign of progress that Holtzclaw’s case even went to trial. “Historically, we’ve seen the justice system hasn’t protected black women from sexual assault,” she said.
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Is there really a conclusive evidence that black women are targets by white cops?

#2 RocketsLegend, Dec 10, 2015
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RocketsLegend said: ↑

Is there really a conclusive evidence that black women are targets by white cops?
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Uh, I don't think that was the point of the video or the article, or even the OP's post.

But to answer you question, in general, no, there is no conclusive evidence that black women are targets by white cops. But a jury (an all-white one, no less) found THIS cop to have targeted and prayed on black women. What he did is sick and reprehensible.

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I don't trust anyone whose eyes are that close.

Terrible story. Glad he's getting locked up.

#4 Haymitch, Dec 10, 2015
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What is to debate or discuss here?

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Cohete Rojo said: ↑

What is to debate or discuss here?
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I would normally agree with your sentiment, but don't worry, at least one nutcase will come out and somehow spin this to blame Blacks, or women, or other minorities. Or Muslims.

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I blame the Jews.

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I'm sure somebody will blame the women.

He needs to die.

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Cohete Rojo said: ↑

What is to debate or discuss here?
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Whether or not having a suspended license makes you an untrustworthy person.

I think the answer is obvious - yes!

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Eric Riley said: ↑

I would normally agree with your sentiment, but don't worry, at least one nutcase will come out and somehow spin this to blame Blacks, or women, or other minorities. Or Muslims.
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F'n Obama man...see what this country has turned into under his 'Leadership'?

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Another canary in the coal mine with the criminal justice system in America. The fact that Daniel Holtzclaw chose black women because he thought he'd "never be held accountable" should be a telling sign of a deeper problem.

An advocate who watched the trial unfold said the allegations fit a familiar pattern. “Officers count on no one believing the victim if she reports,” said Diane Wetendorf, who runs a counseling group in Chicago for women who are victims of police abuse. “And [they] know that the word of a woman of color is likely to be worth even less than the word of a white woman to those who matter in the criminal justice system.”
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Northside Storm said: ↑

Another canary in the coal mine with the criminal justice system in America. The fact that Daniel Holtzclaw chose black women because he thought he'd "never be held accountable" should be a telling sign of a deeper problem.
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Agreed

This predator was able to not only get away with it for a while
but he was able to become a cop
Who honestly thinks this STARTED when he became a cop?

I don't

He is a evil foul piece of ****

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I saw this link in the CNN article and found it a good read.
"From Daniel Holtzclaw to R. Kelly...."
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...for_black_girls_when_their_alleged_rapes.html

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This belongs in the hangout. Nothing D&D related here. The scumbag piece of **** got what he deserved.

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I'm glad he was punished (and knowing our history with all white juries in these types of scenarios, its even more important) but it must be infuriating for the victims who saw the jury deliver not guilty verdicts for their charges.

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I can't believe that the OP is not getting banned for the title of this thread. blue gonna blue? that is BS

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I can't believe that the OP is not getting banned for the title of this thread. blue gonna blue? that is BS
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That is the real outrage here.

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Kim said: ↑

I saw this link in the CNN article and found it a good read.
"From Daniel Holtzclaw to R. Kelly...."
http://www.theroot.com/articles/cul...for_black_girls_when_their_alleged_rapes.html
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I just saw this in my CP.
YES!! Must find a way divert from the issue at hand back to issues of black people. . . . you win the internet today

Geez, someone is sensitive. Are you a minority too? Are you active in the black community? Why did you hide and not post in here? You could have just asked me why I posted that reply or better yet, read that it was embedded in the top middle of the CNN article about this case. So it's actually the opposite of diversion, it's related.

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1 out of 4 cops are terrible, corrupt, thug, bullying, raping, stealing, drug dealing, killers. I mean they're real jerks.

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ipaman said: ↑

1 out of 4 cops are terrible, corrupt, thug, bullying, raping, stealing, drug dealing, killers. I mean they're real jerks.
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Repped for truth

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