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"blood libel" = too far this time?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by SamFisher, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. babyicedog

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    Is Palin braying again? What a surprise there.
     
  2. mc mark

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    can we take the country back?
     
  3. plcmts17

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    I just wanna know that if that were to happen, would she be President of the just the parts of real America?
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    I'll just wait until I wake up and the dream is over.
     
  5. bnb

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    dream????

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  6. basso

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    kind of like The Once views the rest of us as "enemies."
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    no not really since in politics there are enemies and that's what Obama was talking about.

    So really it isn't like that at all.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Well, looks like a few more Clutchfans are making mountains out of LOLhills here..

     
  9. JeopardE

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    Oh John McCain. What have you done to America?

    You could have just resigned to inevitable fate and lost your election gracefully, you senile old coot.
     
  10. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Seems the Tea Party is now trying to blame liberals for the attack:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...p-blames-leftist-for-giffords-shooting/69153/
     
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  12. Raven

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    No matter what she says, liberals are going to bash her, and she smartly uses that to her advantage. Palin has one thing going for her, liberals hate her guts, so if the left would stop obsessing over everything she does, she'd fade into history.
     
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  13. mc mark

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    no no! It's wasn't liberals silly! According to the tea party, the only person to blame is Giffords herself!

    Tucson Tea Party Founder Blames Giffords For Getting Shot: ‘The Real Case Is That She Had No Security’

    In March 2010, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) warned that the rhetoric from the tea parties and Sarah Palin was potentially dangerous. “I can say that in the years that some of my colleagues have served — 20, 30 years — they’ve never seen it like this…when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action,” she said on MSNBC. Tuscon Tea Party co-founder Trent Humphries called Giffords’ previous concerns about violent rhetoric “political gamesmenship,” claiming that if Giffords was so concerned, then she is to blame for Saturday’s shootings because she “had no security whatsoever”:
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    It's interesting to note the difference in Palin's speech and Obama's.

    It's true that Palin had some unfair blame thrust at her for the shooting. A politician is going to get unfair blame a lot of the time.

    Palin chose to wait until the day of the memorial which should be about the victims to put out her bizarre video.

    In the video she talks mostly about her and how she's the victim. She makes the point that her words couldn't have anything to do with what criminals do and violence, but that words used by others against her do have the potential make people turn violence.

    In bizarre narcissistic fashion she compares the unfairness against her with that of the entire Jewish people and their oppression in Europe. It was a video that showed her very inflated view of her own importance in a glaring way.

    Then look at Obama's speech. He talked about the heroes of the day, he talked about the victims and their lives, and how we could all relate to them, and how we could honor them by not pointing fingers but being better people and civil servants.

    Furthermore he invited Republican Speaker of the House Boehner to fly on air force 1 with him and attend the memorial service. Boehner declined the invitation and attended his scheduled fund raiser cocktail party.

    Even though Boehner didn't attend, it is of note that Obama invited him to fly on Air Force One with the President and his family.

    Palin was the same as she always was, didn't try rise above the unfair accusations thrown at her, but played the victim and compared her plight to that of an oppressed Jewish population.

    The President didn't cast blame, was gracious, and focused on the heroes and victims of the day while asking all to increase their empathy.

    It's also telling that Palin, and others who take offense feel that asking for increased civility in politics somehow threatens their free speech and right to voice their dissent. It's as if they know no other way of speaking out.

    It's too bad that people made unfair accusations of Palin and the Tea Party. But yesterday would have been a good time to drop the pettiness and focus on something bigger.
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    She might fade way, but she isn't smart about how she handles it at all. Her base isn't increasing. It's staying they same. She never reaches out to a broader audience. So while the people that lover her, might love her with more passion as the left bashes her, the overall percentage of the population and voters that approve of her is quite small, and she does nothing to change that.
     
  16. michecon

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    This thread and the other one, although representative of a typical DnD, shows how sad it is.

    A tragedy happened. There's much to try to understand, and discuss - mental health, gun, community, education help, etc, etc. In stead, all people care and talked about is Sarah Palin. The congressowomen was shot, but she's likely to survive; in the mean while there are other innocent people died. No one seems to remember there was a 9 year old dead, in this political finger pointing. Is she a Republican or Democrat?

    I was reading the other thread for entertainment for a while. But after a while, there isn't any value in that even. It's just sad.
     
  17. michecon

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    BTW, for folks who actually believe the "map theory", I suggest banning the word "target".
     
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  18. Rocketman95

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    what is the map theory? and who believes it?
     
  19. michecon

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    If you don't know then you don't know. If you know, then you know.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    It's interesting in the wake of the tragedy that some people talk about moving forward with more civility and less inflammatory rhetoric. That is something positive.

    That is something that congresswoman Giffords was particularly concerned about herself. It was something that Repulican Judge John Roll demonstrated by example when he went to go thank the Democratic congresswoman for some funding she'd helped secure. It was certainly something that the 9 year old girl believed was the case as she was interested in meeting people who ran the government.

    Yet all others want to talk about is how unfair and wrong it is for people to bring up the idea of being more civil, and to use examples of inflammatory rhetoric and say that we should be better than that. To them that is the most important thing that has come out of the tragedy.

    Let's stop the pettiness.
     

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