thanks for that post. not a diehard fan by any means whatsoever of blink, but the tunes they made that were depressing "adam's song", "miss you" (i think that was the name of the song), and some other song saying "here's your holiday... hope you enjoy it this time"... well... those were some bad arse tunes. not a bad band. definitely not as bad as some are making them out to be.
Uh Oh, Manny's musical gangster is being tested. This might be an area where the lad can throw down with the big guns.
Maybe I should call my 16yo sister and see how she's coping. Blink 182 was her life. She lived, breathed, ate, and dreamt that damn band. Hopefully she's not in a downward spiral to depressed oblivion at this moment.
You got me on that, but he did say that they "rocked balls" and those 3 bands I named are ones that definitely "rocked balls". Sure it is all subjective, but I am willing to guess more people would say that the bands I named rocked harder than Blink 182 - sorta like more people would appreciate the greatness of a Da Vinci or Michelangelo or Raphael painting compared to a Jackson Pollock one. Nope, I am pulling a "rimbaud" - you know, acting like a smug, smarmy b*stard but then feinting surprise when someone gets pissed at what I have said. I agree.
Now that is funny. I have a buddy that got a Sonic the Hedgehog tattoo on his ankle during spring break of 1993. Ouch. I was glad to see some people admit that Blink doesn't suck. They're not my favorite band by any means but I do like them a lot. I just don't understand what it is in BBS'ers that makes them want to seem so anti-mainstream. I'll admit it, I usually dig mainstream stuff. I also like stuff that no one on earth has ever heard of or really weird and obscure stuff (Pirate Movie Soundtrack, Tarantara) but I don't scream that my garbage, and that's what it is, is "better" than a multi-platinum selling artist. I will admit that a lot of mainstream is spoon fed down our throats through corraboration between Clear Channel, Clear Channel Entertainment, Viacom (MTV, VH1, SportsRadio 610), and the record labels - Ashlee Simpson comes to mind - that is presented to us for the sole purpose of making money. They probably have focus groups determining lyrics, chord progressions, and song structure. I get that. And I even respect some of you guys that are pop-culture haters for slamming that type of crap. But don't lump Blink in with Ashlee just because they are popular and sold a crapload of discs. Blink cut their teeth in bars and frat parties just like some of the people on this board who are in bands are doing right now. If it is a stylistic difference which alienates Blink or prog punk or whatever then that's cool. I, like most people my age and younger, dig 'em.
Chance didn't say they were the best, you know. He didn't say they rocked harder than any other and he defied anyone to prove otherwise. You know he could like all of the bands you listed. Hell, he might think all of the above rock harder than Blink 182 but that doesn't mean he can't think that they, independently, still rock as well. Again, he was not being comparative at all. I just don't know why you always feel you have to prove something in music threads. You listen to a lot of music and have basically willed yourself to learn about and appreciate new kinds. That is good and admirable. You have nothing to prove.
I'd like to jump into this fray, but I've said that other people's music sucked before, so I'd be a hypocrite. I would like to play the Avril card though. You guys know Avril, she writes catchy tunes and inspiring lyrics like "Why you gave me that kiss it was something like this it made me go ooh ohh." Manny's a fan. Also, nobody who said they liked Blink has tried to claim that they are legends in the making or anything, they just said they like the music. Blink is like fastfood. It isn't good for you, it's all empty calories, but damn if it doesn't taste good.
I'm starting to feel guilty now for not liking that first album and then not getting into them when they became tight.
So in other words, he made a blanket statement that is purely opinion or conjecture and cannot be proven or disproven in any way. Right? Normally I try to stay away from making statements that I made in this thread (I used to be a lot worse as you probably remember), but I guess I took Chance's post as a defiant one. He probably accomplished what he wanted - for people to blast him and say that his taste in music "sucks". But just like art, it is all subjective. As mentioned earlier, I try not to do that much anymore. I can't say that I never do it, but I do feel that I don't do as much as now as in the past. Maybe you think that I am doing it implicitly in the CD Player threads - I really don't know. Or maybe you just like to be an amateur sleuth or you could just be doing your schtick - who knows. But even though the compliment was somewhat back-handed, I'll take it, so thanks. <obligatory rolleyes>
Love 'em or hate 'em, but at least they were smart enough to worship The Cure like everyone should. That said, I really dug their last album. Very mature sound and "All Of This" with Robert Smith was one of my favorite songs of the year. Plus, and this is a rarity in music, it seemed like they didn't take themselves seriously -- that's something nice to see in the age of Scott Stapp's running around pretending to be Christ-like.
Whoa - I did not know this. I take back every disparaging remark about them. Seriously. Any band that would worship The Cure gets a mulligan from me on ALL albums. Thanks, Nugsy for telling me this!
Hey, I happen to like Pollock's work. But I also like Dali better than I like most Renaissance painters. The true test of greatness is time. It's yet to be seen just how great society retrospectively thinks they are.
Not sure if they'll show it again, but the only MTV worth watching (MTV2) showed "MTV Icons: The Cure" a few times last week (which means it's probably never gonna be shown again). AFI, Blink 182 and a few other bands performed Cure songs. None were as good as the Cure, but Blink held their own. Check your listings.
HEY LOOK MEGGO KNOWS A LOT OF STUFF. **** the surrealists, Baroque for life b****es. Caravaggio pwns all.
Well, more along the lines that he simply stated he liked one band. You responded by saying three others were better. I just didn't see the need and thought it was a little rude. In all sincerety, Manny, I am not trying to be rude and I agree you are not as bad as you had been before. It just seems that you have some kind of weird thing with music that always manifests a kind of insecurity. Music is personal not only in taste but in experience, so I don't see why you should feel that way at all. Besides - as I said, just because you were late to some forms doesn't mean you are an idiot or anything, so you have nothing to prove. There is always something new to learn every day no matter how old. Just enjoy it. For you, not to show others. And now I will shut up.
Yes. True artists make their own mark. One era is based on a rejection or a spin on another. That is why Blink 182 isn't really good art to me. Pop-punk by it's definition does not push any boundaries. Its creativity is limited. Catchy tunes are nice, but boring. And the formulated attitude is a joke imo. True punk, ala Clash, Ramones, Butthole Surfers, Bad Brains, Devo, Flaming Lips, etc is more true art. They created their own style and did not follow any formula. They took chances and pushed the limits. And it has nothing to do with "selling out", some of the bands I just mentioned sold a lot of records. The bourgeoisie had better watch out for me. All throughout this so called nation, we don't want your filthy money, we don't need your innocent bloodshed. We just wanna end your world. Well my minds made up. Yes, it's time for you to pay, better watch out for me. I'm a member of the F.V.K. ~ 25 year old fresh air
True artists make their own mark? Oh Jesus. Let's put on some sandals and make love in a field of sunflowers while smoking weed and cursing the war. Art is about creation, not innovation. In music, art is getting a group of people together and "making" a combination of sounds and words and setting them to a beat. The end product is something that never existed before and is special to those that made it. Sometimes people other than the creators find it special. Oftentimes through this creation something new is birthed. The punk bands you mentioned along with The Beatles, The Cure, and every other "special" band out there all innovated breeds and styles of music as well while in the process of creating their art. The Yao Ming song. Rubbish? Absolutely. Embarrassingly simpleminded. You betcha. Art? Absolutely. True art? Yep. It was in my mind and it became real. It's art. It's art just the same as Blink and Green Day and Weird Al Yankovic. I will grant you that you used words that showed that this was all your opinon. However I feel that you based your opinion on a pretense that is wrong, "True artists make their own mark."
