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Blame Yao for the Loss

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OmegaSupreme, Nov 1, 2003.

  1. munco

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    perhaps the guards couldn't get him the ball? maybe yao was looking tired? maybe because the grizzlies press resulted in the Rox trying to run sets with a good part of the shot clock down?

    i think yao has been doing a good job of getting good position so far this year. the guards are looking to dump it in to him down low, but i can't say that they've become better passers.

     
  2. OmegaSupreme

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    thanks.
     
  3. munco

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    i'm referring to you stating Yao was not getting good position. My point is that he was getting good position, but he's not always going to get great position.
     
  4. OmegaSupreme

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    ok. just should have said that before.
     
  5. tie22fighter

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    It is called desperation. Your main man has been stopped. If you can get the ball to him, it is a guaranteed 2. But you spend the whole game to do that for no-avail. Worst of all, your team is spending precious seconds trying to get the ball to Ming. Ming has became the biggest distraction on the offensive end.

    When you are desperate, you send the small fast hitting team. Most likely it is not going to work. But for the few times it works, JVG will be considered a genius.

    By the way, to stop people from fronting you. You use triangles. Swing the ball from side to side (a big triangle), swing the ball on one side (a triangle on one side). Since the defender is fronting you, he has to run a much longer distance than you to get to the proper defensive position.

    But the point is it takes team works and crisp passes to do it. It also takes a lot of practice to get the timing right.
     
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    "...Yao was 7-of-11 for 19 points. But he could not get free, and the Rockets could not get him the ball consistently enough for Yao to carry the offense.

    "You find out a lot of your real problems with your real games (as opposed to) practices," Yao said. "It wasn't just one thing; it was a lot of problems." "
    Houston Chronicle

    I am sure for some problems Yao will never speak out loudly, you know what these problems are? :rolleyes: Thank about it;)
     
  7. GRAYsquirrel

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    I, too, was frustrated that JVG didn't play Yao enough down the stretch. But I think the reason was simple.

    Yao was tired.

    It was pretty evident in the 4th. There were a few plays where he just flailed around like a ragdoll, and couldn't muster the effort to follow up with second chances. One time he didn't even come back up the court when the Rox got a second chance. He was just chillin' in the back court.
     
  8. djunior

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    :D OmegaSupreme has already said it: Yao must get at least 30 points, 15 boards & 3 blocks in games, otherwise, Yao sucks.
     
  9. DavidS

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    Yao seems to play better when he's angry or mad at someone! :D Like Korea.

    As far as his aggressiveness. Well, he's a lot better than last year. But every now and then, I still see him flail his arms when some one pushes him. I mean, the push it not very hard, yet Yao tries to get the refs attention by flopping like a little "baby." I mean, what's that all about? They guy is 7'5" and 320 lbs, yet he's flailing? That's got to stop!

    "Yao! The refs aren't buying it!"
    :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeh, all Chinese and Asia centers are 4'10 and Asian players certainly can't jump.

    And blame that 7-11/19 guy when you hold the opponent to 70s and still lost the game.

    Let me spell T E A M for you.


    PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
    STEVE FRANCIS G 44 6-16 0-5 7-7 3 3 6 4 5 3 6 1 19
    CUTTINO MOBLEY G 39 4-9 1-2 0-0 2 2 4 3 1 1 3 0 9
    JIM JACKSON F 37 2-10 1-2 4-4 1 6 7 4 2 1 4 0 9
    KELVIN CATO F 34 2-4 0-0 3-6 3 4 7 0 5 2 3 6 7
    YAO MING C 37 7-11 0-1 5-9 1 9 10 0 2 0 2 3 19
    Maurice Taylor 21 2-7 0-0 2-2 2 2 4 0 2 0 2 0 6
    Moochie Norris 21 1-4 0-2 0-0 1 2 3 3 0 1 2 0 2
    Bostjan Nachbar 7 0-5 0-3 0-0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
     
  12. michecon

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    They have at least 4 7 footers on NT.
     
  13. michecon

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    I do want to add over-reacting bitvher somewhere in this thread.
     
  14. michecon

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    Finally something makes sense.
     
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    I really win basketball game is as easy as get a deep post position. Yeh, it is as easy as that, but easy said than done. Make you wonder why LALA needs Kobe besides Shaq.
     
  16. michecon

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    How about the team can't properly utilize him, or Gizzs tried hard taking away that option?
     
  17. xlr817

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    Well, the ROXS lost as a team, so what! It's just their second game, & I agree that there are still ALOT of work that this team needs to do in order to go to the "next level". On tape, I saw way too many mistakes, blunders, carelessness, Stupidity, poor passing, bad spacing, poor shooting, losing their cool, complaining too much to refs, the 24 turn-overs, etc, etc... On the plus side, they can correct many of these things! JVG needs to make all of them run laps after this game;) ! This team needs to learn & GROW as a unit, & I didn't expect it overnite under JVG! So, Some of U People needs to take a chill pill, yes I was Pissed-off that they lost, but all of us (if possible) needs to have some patience;) ! Try to enjoy the ride even though with this team....it can turn into a wild & crazy roller-coaster ride! I also agree with many of you that Yao Ming needs to be a little angry & pissed off, so he can hopefully take it out on the opposition:D !
     
  18. Rob English

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    Instead of placing blame on Yao for the loss, you need to wake up and smell the coffee! You need to look at our shooting:

    24-of-66 (36 percent)

    STEVE FRANCIS 6-16
    JIM JACKSON 2-10
    CUTTINO MOBLEY 4-9
    Bostjan Nachbar 0-5
    Maurice Taylor 2-7
    KELVIN CATO 2-4
    YAO MING 7-11
    Moochie Norris 1-4

    Second, look at our turnovers:

    22 Turnovers! Steve lead the bunch with 6 of those turnovers. Jimmy Jackson had 4. Cat had 3. Cato had 3. Yao, Mo and Moochie had 2.

    It frustrated me to watch Steve try to do fancy, no-look pass only to turn the ball over or watch Cat dribble the ball off his foot.

    Here's a quote from Mo Taylor:

    "Dribbling off our foot, throwing passes to guys that weren't there. ... We just turned the ball over too much," forward Maurice Taylor said. "When you're turning the ball over on your own and they're causing you to turn it over a couple times, that's just bad on top of bad.

    "We can't be a team that only wins one way. We have to find a way to win when the shots aren't falling, when the shots are a little raggedy. It wasn't a pretty game."
     
  19. spaceboy

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    Well said, I agree
     
  20. prlen

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    so just got 15 baskets and 22 Tur(not including yao)
     

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