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Blake Bortles

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by newAge_Rockets, Jan 1, 2014.

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  1. Cstyle42

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    He's one of those guys that can give you a great interview and appear to be a perfect candidate for the job then when you hire him he just sucks. All show but brings no $$$!
     
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    The deep end I will not venture.

    Being soft does not reflect from my screen name but rather the number 3 at whataburger.

    A moron you still are.
     
  3. Oski2005

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    Isn't being blitzed also considered "pressure?"
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    No, it counts as a blitz every single time they send 5 rushers or more, even if they never get anywhere close to the QB. They often didn't get anywhere near the QB which is why the stat is skewed and the "pressure" stat matters more.
     
  5. FLASH21

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    LOL at all you so called fans actually wanting Bortles over Bridgewater.

    I really need to bookmark all these threads to laugh hysterically at you tools and your idiotic comments.

    I'd even take Manziel over Bortles. This year's Blaine Gabbert 2.0
     
  6. Old Man Rock

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    Yes but what you failed to acknowledge screen plays, designed to allow pressure on the QB and go anywhere from 0-3 yards are also counted in that pressure stat and skew Bortles stats like crazy. I don't have the exact numbers but Bortles probably throws 5 times as many screen passes than Bridgewater. To his credit he probably completes 80+ percent of them but that tells you nothing about how he handles pressure. And makes that stat meaningless.

    Again you can only see that by watching game video. IMO Manziel is better than him at handling real pressure and throwing downfield. Bridgewater blows him away when you consider pressure on throws downfield.
     
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    I can already hear JJ watt telling him, "don't worry, they boo'ed me too."
     
  8. Aruba77

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    Mayock really seems to like him.
     
  9. JayZ750

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    His 2011 QB rankings:
    1 - Gabbert
    2 - Cam
    3 - Locker
    4 - Mallet
    5 - Dalton

    Though at end of day his last mock did have Adam going #1 overall.

    Duress clearly seen a LOT more football than I have... You'd think burned by a Gabbert type once is enough. Maybe he thinks one of them will pan out.

    Dissappointed in Teddy's pro day. But then if there was confidence beforehand that he'd put up a Andrew Luck like pro-day all of this debate would be worthless anyway since he'd be the clear cut #1.

    As is id be more inclined to go other position or trade the pick.... BUT I have a hard time believing the Texans will be picking so so high next year and there's a bit if the you've got the #1 pick and at least a couple of guys who MIGHT be very good NFL QBs. Hard to pass up on the hope that you'll eventually draft the right guy... Or get "lucky" with a late round guy.
     
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    I'm really queasy about Bortles as the franchise QB, but if.BOB is sure enough to hitch his career as an NFL head coach to that horse, the viability of BOB's career is sufficient currency to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    But if he rides with Bortles and Bortles fails, I won't be happy as long as BOB is the HC.
     
  12. Spacemoth

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    Me too, and I hate Manziel. At least he has track record though, damn. Blaine Bortles is just going to embarrass this franchise any further. As if we needed another self-fulfilling prophecy about how Texans are stupid, bigoted, and willing to ignore all of our better logic just because, "things are bigger in Texas."

    Picking Bortles would be the perfect mirror to the conception that the Texans front office also looks the part but has none of the competency necessary for success. A bunch of empty suits. It would be continuing the tradition of putrescence we've cultivated over the past 14 years.
     
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    This draft is making me nervous. Bortles has the potential to be something special eventually. But it looks like O'Brien is in love with him so here's hoping he grows up fast. Any legit defensive prospects to be had in the second?
     
  14. HTown_DieHard

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    ouch... i'm sure mayock would like to wipe those rankings from the history books.
     
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    I happen to have the actual stats, and yes, Bortles threw just over twice as many screens as Bridgewater which was right around the average, however, if you count screens and passes of 1-5 yards, Bridgewater threw 42.55% of his passes in that range and Bortles threw 48.34% of his passes in that range meaning that they both threw a ton of really short dink and dunk type passes so it's not as different as you would think. Sure that's still 5.79% fewer dinky short passes for Bridgewater, but that's not really enough to fit the narrative you are going for.

    As to "downfield" throws, which I'll define as throws of more than 10 yards, Bortles threw 30.94% of his passes in that range while Bridgewater threw 32.45% of his passes in that range....a difference of 1.51% in Bridgewater's favor. They both threw pretty close to the same type of passes, again, not fitting your narrative.
     
  16. Old Man Rock

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    You know my narrative. You are just being selectively stupid. It's not the number of short passes. Again the stats don't show s hit if you negate the type of pressure. Bortles clearly threw a lot of screen passes with designed pressure. The O-Line released and let them come and Bortles knew they were coming and dumped it off horizontally. He is excellent at that but that's not real pressure or pressure that effects his throw.

    Of course that doesn't support your narrative but my point is he can't handle pressure. If you want to include the pressure in screen passes as pressure than it looks like he can but again if you watch the games he is one of the worst QB's in this draft at handling real pressure. That doesn't include the number of times he ran under pressure which as a percentage was much higher than Bridgewater. Bridgewater is better than Bortles handling pressure and it's not even close but you have to watch the games to know that.

    Something else to your point which is not part of my argument but I will address for the sake of discussion. Bridgewater threw a lot of short passes after going through his progressions. Those checkdowns were mostly after second and third reads. Bortles almost always stayed on one side of the field and mostly threw to his first option. He did that well but the degree of difficulty is much smaller. His coach knows that which is why he said Bortles is not a franchise QB and you know he's being kind.

    Bridgewater's coach said Teddy is a savant. He didn't say he had the greatest arm and the biggest hands just that they were good enough but he said the guy was a genius on the field. And that shows in how he handles pressure, reads blitzes and picks defenses apart. That's a different argument but it does factor into why TB is better at handling pressure. Stats might give you a clue but you got to watch the games Bobby, you got to watch the games.
     
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    Many of the screens were when Bortles correctly recognized a blitz. Have to give him credit for that.
     
  18. Remii

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    Or it could be the simple fact that Blake's receivers aren't that great (which was stated after his pro day yesterday _ those dudes have been dropping balls all year) and may not be good at reading defenses (something Teddy's receivers gets no credit for), and the offensive line wasn't that great and considering UCF played more talented teams, they probably had to incorporate a lot of screens. I don't necessarily take that as a direct knock against Blake. Carr on the other hand _ different story because he lived off of screen plays.
     
  19. sugrlndkid

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    "I have seen all I need to see...this years QB class is not 1st pick worthy."
     
  20. Bogey

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    I'm on the trade down bandwagon, but this is close to how I feel if we stay at #1.
     
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