It's more like the league caught up to him. He can't handle a pass rush in his face and teams just loaded up. He's attempted 250+ passes in the nfl and completed a tebow-like 54%. He's just not big enough or accurate enough to function at this level. He might get another chance in the nfl, but he didn't earn anything with his play the last several weeks of the season.
Signed, only 6 starting NFL quarterbacks. The Pac 12 is regarded as a top 3 conference, and guess who puts up the biggest QB numbers from that conference on a season basis. Oregon quarterbacks! Where are they in the NFL? Big conference, small conference, etc. Execution is what counts. Johnny played in the SEC with SEC caliber teammates. Bridgewater played in the ACC with ACC teammates. You can argue that Bridgewater did more with less, and you can also argue that his one true test in Florida, he passed with flying colors. I have no problem with talking about Manziel at number one. Just have an issue when someone clearly doesn't understand what they are even talking about.
Johnny comes from spread offense and T-Bridge from a Pro style offense. There's a reason Luck is preparing for the playoffs right now and RG3 is on vacation he had planned months ago. Level of competition is such a joke stat in college. It's college. 3-5 kids on the field could be considered elite, the rest are amateurs. No one Johnny or Teddy played will prepare them for what they will face at the next level.
I dont care much about the level of competition...I care more about the precision of the throws on slants, out routes, deep passes, swing passes, post pattern, under pressure, etc... I care about a bullet through a tight window... I care about the QB scrambling, yet being able to still go through progressions under duress, etc... When a QB makes a perfectly accurate throw on a square out pass...it doesnt make any difference if the CB covering is from the SEC or Iranian Women's Football League...I want to see precision and timing. If the DB makes a great play on the ball, then that's fine...as long as the pass was thrown where it needed to be thrown. Im fine with either Manziel or Bridgewater. I think TB is the safer choice and I think his transition will be a lot smoother...I think Johnny is more exciting and has a chance to have a higher upside. But, that will depend on how he adapts to the NFL and how he's coached. Im good with whichever route BO'B and the Texans front office take with this...I'll be shocked if we trade out of this spot or we take Clowney or we take another QB.
Hard for any QB to handle a pass rush with a terrible offensive line, pathetic play calling and offensive adjustments and or lack thereof, and only one receiver that could get open consistently... That kid never stood a chance. And he's bigger than Johnny and just as big as Teddy.
Johnny did it with an All Star OLine & a NFL 1st round WR talent. Not to mention multiple other 5-Star recruits littered throughout the Aggies Offense. Teddy did it with at best a 3rd/4th round NFL WR, and then a cast of 2-3 star recruits. Big difference.
Teddy has a solid three inches on him. You are just spouting. Remi, you have posted a couple of intelligent reads on the Texans forum(Liked the Watkins idea if we were to trade down), but this is just ludicrous. Keenum couldn't throw an intermediate pass with accuracy to save his life. He held on to the ball too long, and size wise, you are comparing his 5 foot 11 frame to Bridgewater who is 6'2 to 6'3 with long arms. Couldn't stand a chance? Russel Wilson did just fine without sitting a year and learning and the guy is the same size as Case, not to mention his OL was in shambles and he did fine(more than fine). Case isn't NFL material. Get over it, because most of us sure did. 95% of this board, myself included thought we found our guy, but boy were we wrong. He got owned by tape, didn't win a start and news flash Remi, the Houston Texans were a solid 2-14. If that ain't a QB problem, than I do not know what is.
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I'm not arguing that Case should be the future QB... Not at all. Was just defending him on he couldn't handle a pass rush. Newton is garbage and Brown wasn't his usual self. I'm not arguing that Case could have succeeded _ I'm just pointing out the fact that the condition weren't set up for most QBs to succeed. And I don't know if Teddy is 3 inches taller than Case. That sounds like a lot. We'll see come combine. And Watkins had a drug arrest a year ago so I couldn't see the Texans drafting him or any receiver early unless they have intentions on trading Dre.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/45961/349/can-the-nfl-bank-on-bortles Perhaps no person is improving their evaluation more quickly than Blake Bortles. Some have gone so far as to predict that Bortles will be the first overall pick. At 6’4’’, 230 pounds with a strong arm and speed to boot, Bortles passes the “look” test. The question is does his game match the measurables? Bortles’ first adjustment – like his counterparts such as Johnny Manziel – will be to a pro-style system. George O’Leary’s Central Florida offense is a fairly typical college spread. The Knights operate mostly from the shotgun, with a run game based around zone read and ample amounts of wide receiver screens. A team drafting Bortles should mix in spread concepts, such as the San Francisco 49ers do with Colin Kaepernick or the Seattle Seahawks with Russell Wilson because Bortles is effective running the football and will ease his transition, but Bortles must adapt to pro-offenses. The biggest adjustment is with the passing game. Much of Central Florida’s passing game is based off the zone read run threat. While Bortles does not throw as many screens as Derek Carr, nearly half his throws were under five yards, with 23% coming on screens. And Bortles’ vertical throws frequently come off fake screens. By comparison, Bortles has relatively few repetitions making the middle of the field, intermediate throws that are the backbone of the modern conceptual passing game. And Bortles success with intermediate throws is mixed. Nearly 40% of Bortles’ throws occurred between 6-20 yards, split evenly between 6-10 yards and 11-20 yards. That is more than every highly regarded draft counterpart except Teddy Bridgewater. But Bortles’ completion rate on 11-20 yard throws is 64.29% is tied with Carr for lowest amongst his elite draft-eligible peers. The upshot is that Bortles’ game as a drop back quarterback remains a work in progress. No game better exhibited Bortles’ potential – but also his room for development – than the Knights’ 52-42 victory over the Baylor Bears. For Bortles, it was a tale of two halves. The first half demonstrated the areas where Bortles must improve. His primary first half contribution was with his legs off zone read. The Knights’ passing game was almost entirely screens or vertical routes. Bortles often seem harried in the pocket. He too often threw off his back foot, leading to his elbow dropping and causing inaccuracy. He also made several questionable decisions, none more so than panicking and throwing an off-balance screen pass right to a waiting defender. But if the first half was a cautionary tale, the second half was a display of Bortles’ enormous upside. Bortles’ pocket presence was far better. He stepped into his throws and delivered well-placed balls in those crucial intermediate zones. For example, Central Florida utilizes one of its favorite drop back concepts, levels. The concept creates a hi-lo stretch upon an underneath cover 2 hook to curl defender. But the route combination is also effective against man coverage, which is how the Knights utilized the play against Baylor. With “levels,” the outside receiver runs a five-yard in route with the inside receiver running a 10-12 yard square in. The quarterback reads low to high, looking first to the easy throw and then the deeper square-in. Here, Bortles executes levels with precision. He steps into his throw in the face of an on-coming rusher and delivers an accurate, catchable ball. Bortles must consistently make this type of play to succeed in the NFL, namely working from the pocket to exploit the intermediate passing game. Yet Bortles has every measurable, including the arm strength to make any throw on the field, providing the potential for a long-term NFL career.
I know the general consensus is that Bortles won't be that good, and I generally agree, but in his defense I remember watching the John Gruden "quarterback camp" with Cam Newton where Cam looked like a deer in the headlights and being entirely sure that Newton was going to be VY 2.0. The clip is below, but I still can't watch more than a few seconds because it is so painful. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/I5rP8-pkMX8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> The point is that people do sometimes work hard and develop from simple college schemes to being able to run more complex pro offences and I don't know enough about Bortles' work ethic and intelligence to say that it definitely won't happen. That having been said, I don't think you take a fixer - uper at #1 overall unless the talent level is Cam Newton level transcendent, and I think you need to do background and personality checks to a degree that you know more about him than he does.
I've thought about it a lot and I can't see the Texans not taking Bortles if they take a QB at #1 overall. I think he would just fit into O'Brien's system the best and that may push him over the other QB options. Honestly, I'm hoping we trade down or select Clowney.
There are only 5 relevant conferences, year in and year out, so placing 3rd out of 5th isn't exactly helping your argument. You seem stout in defending that Manziel shouldn't be taken #1, in your post. "I don't mind if you want to talking about taking JFF #1, but I'm gonna poop on you if you do." First of all, the offensive line has had problems. It's not like Manziel had great protection every single game. In fact: http://www.goodbullhunting.com/2013...ing-whats-wrong-with-the-aggie-offensive-line You and the above poster are having tunnel vision just on the offense. Manziel has stuff to work with on the offensive side of the ball, sure. But the SEC defenses, while having a down year, weren't exactly pushovers. And going by the logic that Bridgewater had less to work with on offense? The teams that Louisville faced weren't exactly on the level of the Alabamas or LSUs of the world. But I digress - isn't this thread about Bortles? How did Manziel v Bridgewater come about? Aren't there a million other threads about this? lol
LOL, Maybe if you read what I was responding too than you wouldn't be arguing. Poster before this was claiming that since certain player has the same stats in the SEC as the such and such guy in the ACC than the SEC guy must be better. Read before you post non-sense. The guy was attacking Bridgewater while supporting Manziel. Execution is what matters, not the league you are in. I wouldn't have a problem drafting Manziel as I think he will be a great player, but stats are just that, stats. Kevin Martin averaged 25ppg one year, the same as Tracy Mcgrady. Are they the same player?
LOL maybe if you read what I was responding to, than you wouldn't be arguing. You're saying that Bridgewater did more with less. The defense that Teddy played against isn't at the level of the SEC. If you're valuing execution, consider what Manziel has done to those particular defenses. I'd assume Manziel would do even better against teams Louisville faced, than Bridgewater did. You can't compare just the points, if you're purely looking at stats. REBs? ASTs? You have to factor those in too. And I looked at the post you replied to, and the posts that poster replied to...how did bigtexxx go from talking about Bortles' draft position to Manziel v. Bridgewater?
I said you can argue he did more with less. No need to put words in my mouth to validate your point. Teddy played with ACC players. There is no Mike Evans to throw to. Look at the stats, Teddy has much better accuracy. He also stays in the pocket when pressure shows. Johnny's long ball percentage is also flawed, as the guy makes most of his big plays scrambling. Keep in mind that he also ran a spread offense compared to Teddy's pro style. Teddy's style translates to the NFL much better as well. Check out his game against Florida. That's a man amongst boys. Now go look at the games against LSU and Missouri(teams with speed off the edge), and you will see a guy who struggles mightily.
I disagree. Charlie Strong is an excellent recruiter. Besides Teddy, he had 38 other Florida kids on that Louisville team. That team was not garbage. If anything _ Teddy should have had a more dominate year. It can be argued that Johnny did more with less because his defense suxks and he was always under pressure to score. But none of that may matter if Bortles is the one they decide to go with.
