Lance said Angelo himself would draft Johnny, but he thinks O'Brien like Bortles. Angelo didn't say he himself would draft Brotles.
When the Texans drafted Watt a lot of fans were like _ "WHO...!!!" I'm not advocating for Bortles but if O'Brien thinks he can be a franchise QB and is willing to risk his career on it _ maybe he knows something we don't. I can't debate O'Brien's logic if that's the guy he wants because I never developed a QB... But if he suxks I can bytch and moan about it...
Still listening... <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Check out today's <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_CFB">@NFL_CFB</a> podcast. Lot of talk about the QB class plus an interview with OU HC Bob Stoops-- <a href="http://t.co/dD8bC3bxdM">http://t.co/dD8bC3bxdM</a></p>— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/statuses/421075102944346112">January 9, 2014</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> But early on from Bucky Brooks: Bortles - Classic evaluation of do you want to bank on the physical tools vs where he is as a player or are you scared he may not be what you're projecting him to be? ... He reminds me of Ryan Tannehill. In big games, he didn't play well. Are you going to bank on the flashes of talent? It helps both players(Bortles/Carr) that Mariota/Hundley went back. (Ranked them as): Bridgewater, Manziel, Mariota, Hundley/Bortles and Carr behind those guys. Bortles/Hundley, you're looking at similar athletes and build but the PAC-12 was better.
More from above: Daniel Jeremiah: I did 3 tapes last night on Manziel, 3 more on Bridgewater and some on Bortles. When I came out of it, Bridgewater and Manziel ended up with the exact same grade. Different styles but I can make the case for Manziel being the best QB in this draft class. Arm strength, plenty of that, play-making, but I saw him make plays from the pocket. The concern is him as a runner, seeking contact. He has to protect himself better. I think this guy can be a starting QB and think he has the most upside of anybody in this class at the QB position. Thoughts on Bortles? There's people who hate him, people who love him. I'm probably in the middle. I see the size, it's outstanding. Very good athlete. Nice tough on the ball when it's clean. When things get dirty, Bridgewater, one of the best thing he does, he hangs in there and delivers it. Bortles falls off the mound with pressure and sailed some footballs. He's a unique guy. Quick feet when he sets up but a deliberate throwing motion. It's not a real quick release. I can see him eventually being a starting QB. 10 years ago, it'd be great. He'd sit for a year, and then a chance for a real good QB. He's gonna get picked high and thrust into action. I don't know he's gonna be successful right off the bat like these other two can. Anything to the right landing spot for those 3 QBs? I think there is absolutely something to it. Wilson, as great as he's been, he landed in the perfect spot. That's a perfect example. Manziel, I think it's Houston. A lot of talent around him, potentially a good offensive line and running game, 8 games indoor plus a road game at Indianapolis, that to me, talent wise around him makes sense but BO'B, everywhere he's been, he's had big strong pocket passers so he doesn't fit from a scheme standpoint. The place that might be perfect is Tampa at 7. Manziel with that running game, with Vincent Jackson (as Mike Evans), that'd be pretty good too. Brooks: I believe he could be a classic West Coast offense QB. Naturally, you'd like to see him in the shotgun. He has to go to a place willing to adapt their offense around his talents. Cleveland is intriguing, depending on the coach. You have Gordon, TE Cameron, you still need a RB but you have pieces in place. Bridgewater, he's more adaptable to different places. I don't think Bridgewater is elite, but arm strength wise, he's fine to play in there(AFCN). He's smart and tough. Bortles, you can make a case in Jacksonville they can grow together but...gosh, is he talented enough? Not just am I just gonna take him but I'm gonna pass on some elite players to take him. Is he that much better than A.J. McCarron or Derek Carr I can circle around to get in round two. That's the challenge. Hundley? Don't think he would have gone in the first round. He was very inaccurate and inconsistent. I didn't see it. Held the ball too much. In the big games, he struggled. I don't believe he would have gone in the first round this year. Brooks: Bortles would have benefited from another year. Against elite defenses, he has a tough time. Texans better off giving BO'B a crack at Schaub or Keenum and drafting Clowney or Barr as opposed to QB? DJ: I would have said this before last night but last night, I went back and watch SC-UCF, I watched Clowney in that game, he had 10 dominant rushes. You're watching him chase Bortles. If I sat my wife down, and told her to watch this game, and who is the number one pick, Bortles would never come under a conscious. You're gonna take the QB over this guy chasing him all over the field? Brooks: My scenario for the Texans would be take Clowney, alongside Watt, build a dominant D, and in the 2nd round, I'm looking for a typical BO'B QB. To me, that is a Zach Mettenberger type. Even with the ACL, I'm okay with that because I have Matt Schaub here. I can keep Schaub on the team until I get to the Mettenberger era. DJ: Everyone will acknowledge Clowney is a freak, rare talent. The biggest knock is he was maybe protecting himself and didn't play hard. Put him in a room with J.J. Watt, you're telling me that that won't have an impact? Change scheme? I would stay in a 4 man front with those 2 guys. Brooks: You take him and maximize both Clowney and Watt.
Bortles is nothing like Tannehill. The only thing they have in common is that 5 years from now, Bortles might be an HB and Tannehill a WR.
Correct. He reminds me of Ryan Tannehill. Even though Tannehill went 8, you're still unsure if he's a franchise QB. As the other guy in the pod said, Tannehill isn't 240 lbs.
More from Daniel Jeremiah on the Dan Patrick Show What are the questions still left to be answered about Johnny Manziel? You want to see how officially big he is. Then, how he does in the interview process. Doing background work on him, maturity wise. People won't care that he goes out, as long as he puts in the time studying ... and it's important to him. From everything I've been told, he's passionate about it, he does work at it. His teammates will get grilled at the combine but his teammates really like him. Over/under 4.5 for his draft spot? I don't think he'll get by Cleveland at four. Houston - not a scheme fit Jacksonville - a posibility Cleveland - don't think he gets by Cleveland ... Bridgewater and Bortles - what's left to be answered? Bridgewater - teams want to see how big he is. I've been told, people say he is 190 lbs. Other say he is 218 lbs. On tape, he's really, really good. Not much to answer from a skills standpoint Bortles - all the tools but raw. More of a developmental guy. The other two can come in right away. I don't think Bortles is ready to do that right now. Clowney to Houston or St. Louis? People have said that Bortles played well against Penn State so therefore he goes to Houston. The other day, I went back and watched South Carolina-UCF, I watched Clowney in that game, he had 10 dominant plays in that game. You're watching him chase Bortles. You're gonna take the QB over this guy chasing him all over the field? Wouldn't make sense to me. There has been no one like Manziel. The closest thing maybe recently would be RGIII. He's more instinctive in terms of getting out of trouble. Can he be better than RGIII? I think he can be. He's a natural passer. He can throw from all the funky arm angles.
I would like to here what people at SC and in high-school have to say about Clowney. Being such a freak, I don't think he's had to work at all on his game all of his life. Whereas Watt is the typical blue-collar guy who worked his butt off to get where he is (typically my type of player). I am afraid that once Clowney has to finally work, because he will, he quits, or says he doesn't have to "all I have to do is show up" kind of mentality. Thats why I'd like to hear more about him. You need to know whats behind the highlights, because he won't be able to just get through because of his athleticism in the NFL like he's done all his life.
How do you know? Has he been given a fair shot? I wouldn't underestimate what O 'B could do with him.
I hate that people think because he played well against Penn State he will go to Houston.. Thats a dumb statement/opinion.. I would hope our office evaluates all the player like it should and not decide on a player because he played well against our coaches former team..
It's not about what people think _ it's about what McNair, Smith, and O'Brien thinks. O'Brien may like Bortles because of his size and the fact he's been coached in college by a guy he trust. Not just because of one game he had against Pen State. The combine and pro days may decide a lot between these QBs. But Bortles may be more of a guy they may be looking at if they trade down. Seriously doubt he would go #1 overall.
theres no way he can go no # 1, dont even think he should go top 5.. look at the other thread where they are showing/comparing numbers to Manziel Teddy, and Carr. Im just basing this off the numbers/ i dont think BOB is blind and this decision will factor on his career, im pretty sure he will be doing some extreme evualating and not making the pick based on his trustees..
on those numbers, Johnny did that versus SEC competition. Bridgewater did it versus AAC competition. Big difference
BigTexxx Dont get me wrong I would be extremely happy with Manziel.., and yes he did it against harder competition.. But i would say this, even if Teddy did it with lesser competition, why isnt there other QB's from AAC doing what Teddy does.. I look more at the individual person than the competition.. Pocket Presence, reads defenses, can scramble to exten plays, throws downfield.. if you put him with a more talented team, wouldnt you think he should be able to do what he does, there will be better blocking for him, better receivers getting open for him... I think you have to just judge on his skill level..
hes an undrafted qb that got half a season to prove his worth.. he got much more than MANY MANY undrafted QBs would ever have gotten.. its over..
Keenum's first three games threw for 822 yds, 7 td's, 0 int. Then the wheels fell off or as I like to say Kubiak slashed his tires. I hope O'B gives him a chance.
