Posted this before, but I think reality shows the exact opposite. When certain asians -- e.g. koreans, are expected to excel or are stereotyped in a largely postivie or less harmful way (the american "model minority" one for example) they have shown that their academic performance matches it. When those same Asians (Koreans) are stereotyped/mistreated as unworthy, inferior gaijin, as frequently is the case in Japan, then their outcomes tend to match that.
Striving for equal opportunity along racial lines (ie. racial quotas) is wrong. Certain studies seem to promote that sort of thinking. I would like to see some sort of study that stratifies by income level rather than race. Also - public schools in poor neighborhoods are generally just not going to perform as well. Municipal measures can be taken to provide additional funds to local schools. Enacting laws to prohibit this or force bussing are just not the way to go - imo. Wealthier parents tend to stress the value of education more than poor parents. I think that is the crux of the problem. What to you people think about tax-credits for private tuitions (ie. vouchers)?
I'm not denying that racism exists. I just don't think all minorities can be manipulated so easily by the "big bad white man". A more apt study would compare academic performance by different racial categories within the same income level. There may be 2 issues here - wealth and race. Concentrating on the race element may blind us to think in only one way. Korean chicks are hot.
Actually that has been done. In the U.S. Mexican Americans(not latinos, but specifically Mexican Americans) Native Americans, African Americans, and Native Hawaiians did worse. Even when tested against other minorities or whites in the same socio - economic class. There are a couple of reasons. One is that it takes three generations for patterns of speech development to become native level in their development. It hasn't been 3 generations since many in this group were able to reach the higher levels of socio-economic status. But furthermore, which also fits in with Sam's comment on Koreans in Japan, groups that have been enslaved, colonized, or conquered do worse. Other immigrants who come by choice have an inherant since of a chance to get ahead. That is why they came. Others that were forced to be here, don't see the same hope or promise of reward. That doesn't mean that people from every group can't succeed. But the truth is that there are inherant disadvantages in our system. You better believe we need to struggle and do whatever we can to provide equal opportunity for success. The courts in our nation have agreed and defined equal education as being exactly that. So it is law that we give equal access. Unfortunately there are gaping holes in the application and practical application.
I should say that I read that thing about Japanese/Koreans in an NYT column recently I believe by one of their resident conservative-ish columnists, either John Tierney (who I think is stupid) or David Brooks (who is disingenous). I just did a little internet fact-checking around and it looks like Zanaichi Koreans (Japanese-resident Koreans) are doing much better than in past generations as they become assimilated (unfortunatley that appears to have come at the cost of 3rd and 4th gens purposefully renouncing and hiding their Korean-ness and "passing" as Japanese) However they are not the "super-acheivers" above the curve that their American cousins are, they're jsut beginning to be getting to the level of ordinary japanese . Though the unique xenophobia of japanese culture probably doesn't make this a good comparison for anything.
problem solved then. black students can just deny their heritage and try to pass themselves off as white. seriously thx - that is an interesting study.
Please link to this study. The studies that I've seen do not show differences between race when things like income, school and parents' education levels have been controlled for in the analysis.
This time you are going to have to do some of the work on your own. I will link to the group which not only did that study but other studies as well. I learned it in one of my educational classes. It was a linguistics class, and one of the best I've ever had. Anyway if you are interested you may start here, and follow subsequent links, and even contact them if you would like. www-bcf.usc.edu/~cmmr/ARCO.html
Uh, ok. You're the one who threw out the information like it was fact, yet you can't pull up the study that you read? I'm not convinced.
My issue with this statement is that Asians move here in far lower numbers than latinos. Japan, SK, and Taiwan not only have far higher GDP than any latin countries, they represent a higher percentage of Asian immigrants than the same number of wealthy latin immigrants would represent. Also, with respect in particular to China and India, I don't have numbers on this but I would guess that significant numbers of immigrants from those countries are sent here specifically to attend college and go back to their home countries. The pick of the litter so to speak and probably not on par economically with the typical Chinese wage earner.
In the last 15 years South Koreans and Japanese have made up only 7.5% of the Asian immigrating body. Whatever you have added later in reply is mere conjecture. The vast majority of those immigrating are from countries whose GDP per capita are lower than that of Mexico. Some have argued the quality of those individuals who have come. Some suggest that only the best and most affluent have come. In such cases, I presented some statistics that revealed that almost 25% of Chinese immigrants had less than highschool equivalent education. SirSir addressed my points thouroughly in his rebuttal in a reply. I suggest you read my two original and very terse posts and read his in reply. I don't understand why you continue to pound on the fact that there are immigrants from the most wealthy Asian nations, when they are almost irrelevant in the discussion due to their comparatively minute number of immigrants.
It proves that a select group of the most intelligent and highly motivated Asians coming here free of historical discrimination can succeed in the US. I will agree with you thogh that the white man's conspiracy is overblown but as I stated the problem with the legacy of racism isn't just white oppression but also internalized stereotypes among minorities. Or they use Asians to club other minorities by saying that if Asians can succeed then that must mean that the other minorities are just lazy.
I was thinking about starting a thread on that very subject. I don't think vouchers are a bad idea and should be considered. I would think of them as Pell Grants for primary education.
I don't know if they are the most intelligent (I don't know much about the immigrants from overseas), but how can folks not understand that they are highly motivated to get up and leave. It's silly to compare a bunch of highly motivated immigrants (and their kids, who have probably been pushed by their highly motivated parents) to a bunch of lazy americans. Compare the lazy americans doing nothing for themselves to the lazy people who didn't immigrate and are back in their native lands doing nothing for themselves.
Since your mortgage rate is typically based on yoru credit & income, how can you guage what other with your credit score and income are paying in your area? How can you tell if you are being raped or not? The current issue of Black Enterprise has a more detailed article on this, with a breakdown of which cities are the worst. Of course Houston is right at the top.
